Re: Gotta give him credit, he tries!

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Posted by pancho from ? ( on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 3:36PM :

In Reply to: Gotta give him credit, he tries! posted by Julia from ( on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:05AM :

: Fred, a recurring theme in your argument is the assumption that a populace has a dominant characteristic that drives its domestic, international and everything-in-between policy. This is an oversimplification.

+++I am overly simple.

: There is no such thing as a person, group, country or continent that acts for ONLY one cause.

++++No shit. Well there is ONE person at least.

There is such thing as a country that has its elected officials, or unelected ones, act on behalf of their electorate (or imposed jurisdiction) and do things in the name of the people. However, the people are not of one mind and one belief; neither are the political actors who wield the resources to create and enforce policies in the name of the country. There isn't a one-to-one correlation between a country's actions and the will of the people that make up a country.

+++You can say THAT again.

: One reason why is that the country is a fictive person. There is no such thing as America that 'acts,' or an Islamic country that 'acts', how can a country, which is largely defined by the people in it and the territory they inhabit, act? It is the people that acts, and from there you see it is impossible for all people in a country, who define the country, to act. Therefore, what is actually 'America strikes back' or 'Islamic Jihad' is nothing more than a bunch of oligarchs supported by various persons who act........... and not a reflection of all americans or all muslims.

+++This will undoubtedly be a comfort to the children of Iraq who can't get to your knees...but are down on their own. Thank you, thank you. What is left to say about anything, once you've said this?

: (Another reason is that we don't have an absolute definition of an american or a muslim; the definition will vary from person to person; so we only have approximations of the idea of the american and the idea of the muslim)

+++We DO have a good definition of a dead Muslim and a live Muslim.

: When Assyrians say that Muslims did this, Islam did that, you react by seeing the foolishness of their argument. You are right to react to their foolishness but you lend yourself towards inaccuracy in adopting their logic to combat their foolishness as you perceive it.

+++++It would take a fool to understand another one, don't you think? For instance, I don't know what the hell you are talking about...that means only one of us is a fool.

If Mexicans tell you all Canadians are evil, and you see the ridiculousness of their statement,

+++++But they ARE!!! Have you ever driven behind one?

it would be illogical for you to respond by saying, but Mexicans are even more evil.

++++They ARE...Have you ever driven in front of one?

Because, clearly, it is inaccurate to make a judgment about millions of people that do not have one mind and one will.

+++Not if you drive as much as I do.

+++Lulia...that was refreshing. Didn't change a damn thing and it's all been said before by any number of over eager college students sitting in coffee shops sipping their degrees. makes YOU feel good, and that's what it's all about these daze. Don't get pushed out of shape and make intimate offers you don't mean. People like you, are people like you...and that about sums it up.

love and kisses but still no respect cause you try too damn hard, I remain, Over Simple Panch.

-- pancho
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