Posted by Jeff from d53-152-230.try.wideopenwest.com (220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 10:20PM :
In Reply to: war is the only answer posted by George from hsdbsk64-201-205-49.sasknet.sk.ca (18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 9:40PM :
: Here is my beef with liberals in this situation:
: Everyone wants to use the UN to fight Iraq.
** I don't want anyone to fight Iraq. Leave Iraq alone.
: I think you have too much faith in the UN to do the right thing. I see a lot of bureaucracy and little action.
** Well, well, it's very "American" of you to dismiss the UN.... and international law. Just throw the baby out with the bathwater.
: Sure the liberals say that the sanctions are horrible. How do you make sanctions only hurt the government and not the people.
** Simple, you don't. Case and point: Every single country that we have ever imposed sanctions on, including Cuba, North Korea, etc.
: If Saddam had turned over all his weapons I believe that sanctions would be over.
** Interesting how only some countries are allowed to have weapons. P.S. What about North Korea and this double standard?
: Now we have to go to war.
** Now we do not have to go to war!
: He invaded another country and has failed to live up to the terms set to him for peace.
** His invasion of that country is not our business. Do you know how Kuwait was founded?
: You see, we supported Afghanistan during its fight against the USSR.
** The CIA funded Bin Laden then. They admitted it.
: WHy couldn't the UN help the Afghany people at the time if they care so much about them now?
** Perhaps you should ask the UN that question, or perhaps the Russians just aren't that bad.
: The liberals worry that we are dealing with other bad states to stop terrorism. How do they propose we fight the war if we had no allies?
** We have NO allies unless you count the British... who needs them? Tea and crumpets my ass.
: Bin-Laden who was the leader of Al-Quaeda doesn't like our presence in Saudi Arabia.
** Most people don't like our presence there. We are at peace with Saudi Arabia yet their women have no rights. Oil? Oy L ?
: He sees us as keeping him from his goals there. I don't think Bin-Laden was trying to bring democracy to Saudi Arabia.
** I agree. I knew there would be at least one point for us to agree on.
: And any ways, we saved Saudi Arabia from being invaded by Saddam - isn't that worth something?
** Ah, in fact that is a lie. You see, the reports and satellite images you saw on the news which supposedly showed "Iraqi forces amassing along Saudi Arabia's border" were forged. This is a documented fact.
: If everyone loves the UN so much why doesn't other countries give them more money?
** Perhaps because other countries are too busy helping THEIR OWN POPULATIONS with EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, and FOOD AND SHELTER.
: WHy rely on the US for everything?
** I can't respond to this.
: The UN is so worried about terrorism from Israel.
** They are worried about the fact that Israelis and Palestinians have been killing eachother for more than 50 years. Doesn't that worry you? It worries me.
: Let them step up to the plate and fight terrorism in Iraq.
** What terrorism in Iraq?
: The problems in Israel will not go away this week. If you let Saddam get away with violations - might as well allow Israel too.
** Interesting when we are buddies with someone they get country identification (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.) but when we are enemies they become our personal acquaintances (i.e. Bin Laden, Saddam, etc.)
** Which begs the question, why are we still referring to North Korea as North Korea and not KIM JONG IL??
: Iraq violated their resolutions now we have to bomb him out of power.
** That didn't work in 91. We let Saddam stay in power then, remember?? History?
** I have found that most ignorant Americans are ignorant of history more than anything else (well, maybe it's a tie between history and common sense)
: If we would have went into Iraq in 91 and got rid of Saddam then we wouldn't be in this mess now.
** Oh, sorry. I didn't see this before.
: The liberals say that the Afghan government is a puppet of the US - that is untrue and things are getting better there.
** Yeah, and I'm sure people always wave US flags like they did for the cameras... yes, women's rights are improving there, sure, yes, mmm hmm... oh, and why is it that they are producing more drugs now than ever??
: The conditions in a new Iraq would be the same. In the long run things would get better. We've done it before: South Korea, Japan, Germany.
** Now list the hundreds of examples which prove the opposite. Let's start with South America....
: The liberals say they are worried that the US will control yet another country. There are no governments today that are under US control.
** Oy Vay.
: How would weapons inspections continue without our armies on Saddam's boarders?
** They continued for 8 years till they were forced out by US/Tea&Crumpets bombings.
: What are the alternatives that the liberals are coming up with?
** NO WAR
: France is not mentioning any of them.
** You haven't been reading Dominique de Villepin's statements.
: Saddam is a threat now and he isn't going away anytime soon without a war. The war must happen.
** "The War Must Happen"... hmm... words from a wise man.
: Don't just respond to one item and then make it seem like everything I said was responded to either.
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