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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Friday, December 12 2003, 11:16:30 (EST)
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Andy Younan wrote:
>Farid,
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>>Believing things like..."God died for ME...God would even think of such a thing for ME...God sacrificed himself for ME...self-sacrifice as a way to show LOVE"...these are the very things that unhinge people. There's no reason in the world why such a thing should be necessary to prove "love" in the first place. But the corker is to believe that it isn't "A" God but GOD...one and only, sets the stage for all the mischief hell has brought us.
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>Always the same old thing with you, isn't it?

***A guy who takes the word of five fishermen from 2000 years ago has the balls to tell ME..."same old thing"???

There's this bit of yours that I just don't get: the connection between Christian belief and immoral behavior. How does this work:

***The same way it创s been working. You don创t think the pope got all that jewelry honestly do you?
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>Some guy: "I believe there is one God."
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>- later -
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>Same guy: "Man, do I feel like killing some children!"

***You missed the Inquisition in between those two idiotic points you raised.
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>What? How does belief in one God cause behavior ANY different than belief that "there's a bunch of gods, but mine is the BESTEST!"??? You really don't think anyone in Babylon thought Marduk was on their side? He was the best god of ALL! He even CREATED THE WHOLE WORLD!!!

***Of course there创s a difference. When the Jews lit on Yahwe they got it in their heasds he must be the one and only and universal...first they killed their own children to prove it, then their neighbors and then they ripped their neighbor创s wives bellies open just to prtove their "devotion"...after all a person must really BELIEVE in order to kill someone over who has the best god.

***We of BetNahrain had lots of gods...but we never said ours was the only one, or the only ten. There were other temples, there were other priests, there were other holy days and rituals. It was your Jews and their offspring the Christians who began this one and only bullshit and took to killing people...children too, who wouldn{t confrom..,.as they still are.
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>And the love thing: how does THAT work?
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>Another guy: "God loves me, as is indicated by his act of creation and his sacrifice on the cross."

***That创s twaddle to begin with. You have no evidence at all that god loves you or gives a shit about you or knows of you. That创s more Jew-shit to explain away their miserable condition in the world back then. Naturally thery decided that being kicked from BetNahrain to Thebes to Perisa was an indication of God创s Love...that创s where you got this "god loves me" crap.

***You could as easily say "god loves me as is indicated by the existence of chewing gum and all the hours he spent chewing it for me" I mean REALLY!
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>- later -
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>Same other guy: "Whoo boy! I sure could go for some baby-brains right about now!"

***Look...do us all a favor and stop trying to be the "cool" and "hip" and au courant priest. It创s a bit old by now. You are a reincarnation of those musty, lying fishermen Hebrews...that创s all...you too didn创t "see" a fucking thing. And you never will.
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>What's the connection? What about being loved by God causes people to become
>immoral? Does being loved make people feel excused for doing horrible things? If anything, it makes us more ashamed of doing them.

***We aren创t loved by god...that创s your rationale for the shit you feel insdide of you...like the Hebrews you got it from..."My asshole just blew apart...there goes god, loving me some more".
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>But there I go again, being arrogant enough to tell YOU what MY faith means to ME. I apologize. Please, Farid, enlighten me. Tell me what the Cross REALLY means to me.

***I创d have to shove it where your god lurks first to make you understand what your cross has done to millions of people...children too.
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>>You don't live in a shoebox...though you scuttle back and forth from one Christian "safe-house" to another like any member of an underground...you live in the world with a whole lot of other people who also have this god-sickness and while you may never personally harm a child...except by spreading your little peculiarities around...those you work for are pissing all over our planet trying to see who has the largest dick. It would be like saying you're a GOOD Nazi, or Republican or Democrat and have nothing to do with what the bad ones are up to...."but here's my donation".
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>It's true that I have mainly Christian friends - but how many live at YOUR house, as long as we're talking about shoeboxes?

***I创m not talking about friends living with you. I创m talking about the insitutionalized nursery you all occupy...so you can remain infantile and maleable and go out and get more children for monsignior.
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>An "underground?" I've asked you this before: Just where is this enormous world of atheists and agnostics that I'm hiding from? It seems like if there's ANY exclusive club, it's people without religion. Sure, two-thirds of the people in the world have a different religion than I do...but they ALL have a different religion than you.

***Nazis were Christians too...very devout...though "wrong" in your eyes. Seems to me they finally did what your church wanted and preached for centuries. People like me don创t have religions...there isn创t anything we创re afraid of. We know death is part of life...it isn创t a mistake or an accident. There创s no reason to fear it...there创s no reason to turn my mind to jelly to think I can avoid it. Being afraid of death is being afraid to live...and all of you can创t wait to die and go somewhere else...and all you ask is a promise you创ll live forever. What the hell you创ll DO in all that time doesn创t even enter your pin heads. Pick the thing you love most and just imagine doing it for a year straight and then for 500 years and then for 10,000 years. Have you absolutely NO mind left for it to get a little teeny weeny bit bored after a million years? Are you insane or what?
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>>they can't handle it...what's it got to do with me? And it just may be that this belief of yours is partly intended to set you apart, litteraly elevate you, above the common crowd who can't handle its daily dose of God the way you can.
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>You're an odd man. The "common crowd," ALL of it, has a religion - and likes it. If ANYone is setting themselves apart, it's those of you - those few - who sneer at the religions that have always been there from your towers that were built for the first time only a few hundred years ago - just when things started getting REALLY violent.

***They创ve become really violent now because you创ve been at work assiduously for centuries feeding people blood and gore and telling them it创s the way to paradise. The Holocaust was a direct result of the teachings AND practise of the chiurch. Where did you think all that god-insanity would lead to...Peace on Earth? Now that you创ve managed to have millions of us killed you come complaining that WE got it wrong!
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>>You're part of a deadly dangerous institution that's in deadly competition with other deadly institutions and you want to say, "I'm happy...I don't kill anyone...where's the problem?" You people are fouling the air everywhere and yet you say, "If we didn't do it someone else would so leave us alone". That isn't moral, it's opportunistic.
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>When have I ever said anything like that?

***All the time. YOU are a real Christian..the rest of them in your corporation are wrong...yet they do all the killling anyway and have you to clean up after them.
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>> How do you know people would be as deadly without this god-business?
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>It is hard to tell...after all, there has ALWAYS been "god-business."

***Not your brand. Not since old and hoary days has there been a religion that wants you to consume flesh and blood. Okay so it创s symbollic...you want a religion of symbollic pederasty? Symbols have meaning and they have uses...there创s a bloody good reason the Roman Empire chose this brand of god-business...a very good reason. Christian intolerance is legendary...you people have killed more of your own kind than anyone in the world ever killed of you...EVER! Even the Roman emperors had more sense and compassion than your bloody church fathers. At the most three or four thousand were killed and that was for stubborn refusal to obey the secular Law..it was NOT for their silly ass beliefs..as you love to tell it. But when Christians had the chance...now THAT was more like...then righteous blood, the real kind, began to flow in earnest...but don创t trouble yourself..it will just give you the Blahs.
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>>Assyrians never starved the children of their enemies to death...the armies met and fought. They didn't single out the children...yet the Christian country you were born in and you work for...whose citizen's "souls" you're going to try to wash clean, are increasingly turning to out and out barbarism and insanity and placing it all at God's feet. You can cry about it all you want to...tell them they're living in "error"...but so what? The Nazis had priests too...you guys were blessing the bombs being sent to kill each other's flocks with...you too believed in enemy flocks. And part of it is that you believe in ritual murder...your religion begins with it...and you call that murder an act of "Love"...a proof of LOVE...and you believe sacrifice is the greatest part of Love.
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>There you go again. What's the connection between Christ's sacrifice and dropping a bomb on a sleeping child?

***Christians believing in a god of love did it...that创s the connection. Believe in Love all you want to...when you创re eating human flesh and drinking human blood in between...it sort makes it moot.

Even IF so-called "Christian" countries happen to be more violent than others (which I don't believe for a second - but then you're the only objective historian still alive, so I should take your word for it), it doesn't mean anything for the Christian faith.

***Nothing will ever satnd between you and your desire to live forever...nothing. You创ll accept anything...participate in anything...at a distance of course, what do I think you are, Honest? You have an incredible ability to focus on your own needs...to love your puny self to distraction. God died for you...he then became a cookie for you...and he waits for you up there...all of it for Andy. I know I know...he became a cookie for EVERYBODY...but that{s more bullshit...just makes you feel like you创re doing us a favor as you squrim, scramble, lie and self-fornicate your way to heaven.

***Think of heaven as a lifeboat from a sinking ship...you创d push anyone out of the way to get in there first...that创s what you创re doing on earth...participating in and accxepting anything that will win you paradise..and you want to be loved for THAT as well.
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>>You SAY you mean sacrifice of yourself by that...but I don't see any evidence that you're sacrificing a damn thing...you're being supported, however meagerly and there's only one of you...you have no children to care for...not even a dog or cat and yet you're being fed and housed and clothed...the things you value the most are being provided for you...
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>Odd...when did this become about me? What's the point of this?

****You can play stupid all you want to...I know it isn创t a game any more though...you don创t.
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>>entire village from which to choose sexual partners. What the hell is this asshole "sacrificing"? It seems to me the village and the people in it are being sacrificed FOR HIM.
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>Asshole indeed.

***That创s what he was looking for too.
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>Your tv pal,
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