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Posted by Andy Younan (Guest) jonah2164@yahoo.com - Sunday, December 14 2003, 0:33:32 (EST)
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Farid,

>Andy...I don't want to hold you up to ridicule. I think it speaks well that you would even go this far and on a public forum too. That's the last bit of moral fiber our glorious Heritage left with you... though it's drowning under all that Jew-crap you've loaded onto it...but it's there. I realize you feel compelled to do battle for "your" lord and I take it as a compliment personally that you consider it almost not a waste of your time to do so with me. I too feel compelled to enter the lists, but not for Jew fishermen and carpenters.

Please don't misunderstand me, Farid. I don't feel compelled to do this at all. I was invited - even fairly politely - and I'm accepting the invitation. That's it.

> If I didn't think there was a shred of decency left in you and an uncluttered corner in that otherwise shot-to-hell mind of yours, as well as the chance for your soul's reclamation, I wouldn't even bother. There's always hope that a young man can be freed from the fetters that blind him, that were set in place when he was an innocent babe and afraid of the dark and longed for even more presents at Christmas...the chances of tying up an old coot like me in these kinds of knots and mental contortions they've got you slung in, like a pig for slaughter, are very slight. I yam what I yam...you don't have to stay the way you were mashed.

I hate to disappoint you, but there's just as slight a chance that you'll "save" me as I you. All you've shown me, over and over again, is that you have no desire at all to understand the meaning of the Christian faith. Do you honestly think you're going to teach me what I "really believe?"

I'm going to try and address some of your major points here. Some guy who misspelled my name mussed up all the other thingys.

1) "The conscience is ruined once it accepts benefit from the death of Christ."

I'll simply repeat some of what I said before: if Christ chose to give his life for the world - which the Church believes - with the intention that we should benefit, it is NOT due to his murder that I or anyone benefit, but due to his choice to die. This fills the Christian with an overwhelming sense of being loved, and gives the whole world and everyone in it a new light. No longer is anyone "just a guy;" he or she is "one for whom Christ died." And this applies to everyone - not just those in the Church. That is the Christian sentiment. Even more - a sin against a human being now becomes a sin against God himself, and a good deed for a human being a good deed for God himself - "whenever you did this for the least of my brethren, you did it for me." No, the Christian conscience is not dulled or corrupted - it is refined. As for the sins of the Church, which you demand I "answer for," I ask you to show me how what I just described - that is, Christianity - causes them. Or, you can just continue to tell me what Christianity "REALLY IS - REALLY!" Just know that you'll never save a soul like that.

I wonder why the people who are the true Christian models - the saints and the sweet old ladies - couldn't stop thinking about Christ's death on the Cross, and that the bastards who drop bombs and starve kids - and the punk teenagers who beat up skinny kids for fun - don't like to go to church at all. It seems like it should be the other way around, if what you say is true.

2) "Why was it necessary that Christ should die?" "Why is it necessary to eat flesh and blood?"

It wasn't. It isn't. There are a billion ways God could have acted in the world. This isn't a matter of necessity. It is a matter of abundance. God could have, I guess, just zapped everyone's sins away without becoming man at all, but he chose instead to offer us the greatest gift he could - himself - and allow us to chose to take it or to leave it. I have taken it, Farid, and I believe it to be a good thing - the greatest thing in the history of the world - and all the corrupted christianities and one-sided histories you come up with aren't going to sway me in that.

In sum: show me how accepting a gift from a loving God and following his example in self-giving are bad things, or actually cause bad behavior, and you've got something. As of now, all you have is a big misunderstanding and a read of history colored by it.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Your tv pal,

Andy

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Hire The Handicapped Farid - Saturday, December 13 2003, 13:34:56 (EST)
- Re: Hire The Handicapped Andy Younan - 12/14 00:33
  - Andy, sorry + request ... Andreas - 12/14 13:45
    - Easy, boy. Andy Younan - 12/14 13:56
      - No sweat, but ... Andreas - 12/14 16:19
        Correction .... Andreas - 12/14 16:21
- Why don't you answer to Andy? Andreas - 12/14 06:11
  - Re: Why don't you answer to Andy? parhad - 12/15 19:35
    - Would ye please ANSWER now ? Andreas - 12/15 20:53
      - Re: Would ye please ANSWER now ? Andy Younan - 12/15 21:17
        Neurotic over-assimilation ? Andreas - 12/15 21:54
        Correction Andreas - 12/15 21:59
        Take it easy... Andy Younan - 12/15 22:25
- T'is worse than ye ever "thought"... Andreas - 12/14 13:17
  - scoundrel/nationalism + you Andreas - 12/14 16:09

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