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Re: Lies and more lies
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, April 25 2004, 13:22:10 (CEST)
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ASHURAYA wrote:
>Tony:

...I know you guys have this thing about..."I did not address this comments to you sir"...but we have a forum over here..not a private message bored...you want to keep things private, you have each other`s email addresses. A forum, as I never tire of saying, is a an open marketplace for the free exchange of ideas. When you go to a market to sell your wares, you don`t limit your customers..you don`t chase some of them away and neither would you...if you really wanted to sell. If you want to communicate an idea, you communicate it to everyone..at least on a forum you do...once you put it up for consumption it doesn`t belong to you any longer...anyone can make a bid for it...and really that`s the whole idea of going into a forum in the first place..you can`t set it up and then yell at people that it`s by "appointment only"...and, "who asked you". This is by way of saying that though you addressed Tony, or anyone else..farid is gonna take his shot as well...always will.
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>I couldn't disagree with this report, but as a small Assyrian nation we are all obliged o serve our people while we respect and love the U.S.

...we are not a nation. No nation demands one religion and one religion only of its people. The mark of a nation, besides having some dirt to call their own, is a national government and laws and rules..which we have none of… is that it allows immigration and naturalization without demanding a loyalty oath at the border that essentially strips people of their peopleness...attempting to make hairy wombats of them as a price for entry.

...You are a gaggle of Christian sects and denominations each claiming to be the REAL and TRUE version of a Jew-based religion and THIS is your requirement for citizenship in this nutty nation. That might have been fine when the world was filled with clannish tribes all hiding in fear of each other who could enforce that kind of requirement...but not even the ancient Assyrians lived like that..they ventured out everywhere, unafraid...they did not hide under the bed like your nationalists do..they did not ban and delete people for marrying outside a religion and they did not insist on the sorts of narrow definitions you do..they embraced everyone and benefited from anyone they could.

...And you can`t understand how abandoning the one religion of the Assyrians..and then claiming that this is PROOF that you are real Assyrians today..and then frowning and turning your noses up at anyone who abandoned in another direction...OR who insists he or she never believed in Christ over Ashur in the first...makes nonsense of your claims to be Assyrian OR any kind of a nation...

…As to loving America...it depends on which behaviors you mean. We all expected and would have liked the Germans to have loved Germany and their own children enough to have chucked Hitler out of power long before he made the church glad by FINALLY getting their message...but they didn`t..or rather they loved their country "Right or Wrong". That ain`t a healthy love. There are those who love Bush and his kind of America and there are those who love America enough to know that Bush hates America enough to destroy it if it can`t be HIS America.

...some love America enough to tell her when she`s is in error. Hitler turned out to be the greatest enemy the German people ever had..he brought detah and dishonor to more Germans than anyone else ever did and he caused his country to be divided in half and ruled by the very people he hated so much...that`s what the kind of blind love of country got the German people. We don`t want the same for America. You have that same blind love of countries all Fascists do...no matter what a country you love does..you figure you`re expected to go along...in the end America will have done greater harm to its own people than it did to Iraq..that end may take another 100 years to arrive..but it will surely come..no one has ever escaped Karma...certainly not any nation. The enemies America is making hand over fist today in its glee to test its own WMDs and rake in the cash from "grateful" citizens who love this new America...will have long memories...and no one...NO ONE will have harmed the remaining Christians in Iraq more than this same America...you boys and ZOWAA.
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>In no way a person will be faithful to this country as long as he denies the love of his country which he came from.

...that`s an odd thing to say. If there`s one thing you have to be willing to do when you become a citizen of this warmongering America, is agree to attack your own homeland one day. How can anyone claim to love Iraq when he or she cheers on the murder by starvation of a half million of its children? Do you think before writing? Or do you "love" writing too?
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>Could be true whatever the writer said, but UNFORTUNATELY we never read people writing about the JEWISH state of ISRAEL where the Jewish people robbing America's welth to serve Israel, and furthermore, people like Wolfowitz- with the eliphant ears- and Richard Perle whom pushed U.S. in a war which is not to fight the Fundamental Islam which they create themself with Ben Laden and others to fight U.S.S.R , but to implement the ZIONIST agenda to BALKANIZE the Middle East, and particu;arly Iraq.

...there is no Israeli lion..there is no Israeli agenda..there is no Israeli Master Plan. The Jews , the wealthy all powerful Jews stood by helpless as Europe cooked and ate them...to the great satisfaction of Christians everywhere. America is merely using Jews like asswipes..the same as they do with you Christians who are so glad to be "of service". It`s the United States paying for and using the Israeli army to fulfill IT`S agenda..and the beauty of it is everyone blames the Jews...AGAIN!

No one has to Balkanize you Christians..you come Balkanized from Church all on your own. It`s been Christians who`ve been meddling in the MidEast for 1000 years and more...Jews had no power in all that time and they still don`t..they`re merely the hired hands..the gunslingers for American policy in the MidEast..look at them..they had it fine in Europe till the Christians got them..they had it far better in the Mideast till the Christians chased them to Palestine..then paid them all to go to killing each other...the Jews LOST far more on their road to gain an Israel than they ever gained...they`re back in a ghetto...building walls around THEMSELVES! You telling me any Jew of Vienna or London, Rome, Paris, Budapesht would rather be living in Tel fucking Aviv today and is GLAD for the opportunity to bury a loved one piecemeal...in his dear Holy Land???

So , today we see that OVER of 700 young Americans with over 3000 wounded gave their life to serve ISRAEL ambitions and agenda, what is IRONIC in all these tactics that these innocent people still think they are serving U.S. security, while in fact by such action they are hindering the U.S. security more.

...These people died...as the ones in Vietnam and Korea did, serving American money interests...they did nothing for Israel. You simply parrot the old stereotypes and hatreds for the Jews your churches have been teaching for over a thousand years. What more does it take to open your eyes..Bush wins an election in his brother`s state...he`s in oil, so is his entire family and all his friends...his administration is made of crooks also in the oil or money skimming business..he creates pretences for a war and in the meantime is raking in untold contracts and future deals...he lies the country into a war with a country that just happens to sit on a lot of it..his family friends are all oil sheikhs...and we now know what we knew all along..the whole thing was one giant lying scam..and you STILL want to blame the Jews for all this???
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>Over a quarter centry back wrote one of these JEWISH planner under the name of David Kama,' the danger which we will face is from the Eastern Front, i.e., Syria and Iraq , so our efforts should focus to create small states - Divide and rule- a Druz state in Syria, a Q...sh EVIL enclave with a province in Iraq....'

...well of course Jews chased out of Europe and forcibly put into a corner of Palestine would be afraid..of course they`d feel the surrounding Muslims would be pissed at European Christians for solving their problem by creating one for them and of course they knew they`d be the handy ones, close by, who`d catch hell for it..and of course they`d see there would be endless war waged against them from all sides and the sea too..and the natural thing to do under the circumstances would be divide up your enemies...when all they really wanted was the return of their property and a chance to live in their homes in EUROPE...NOT Tel fucking Aviv!!! What`s such a "plot" about that? Who WOULDN`T do that if forced to endure what the Jews were put through? Do you think they EVER could have trusted their European neighbors again? You think they would have agreed to move to Argentina..another Catholic country that would have welcomed them like turds in the punch bowl??? Where ELSE were they supposed to go? They knew damn well the peaceful relationship MidEastern Jews had enjoyed with their Christian and Muslim neighbors was at an end..brought to an end by European Christians...they KNEW the creation of Israel was theft..they knew ALL about theft and confiscations..but what were they supposed to do??? And when they take simple, common sense measures to at least disrupt those hordes of vicious Muslims you all keep reminding us about..you call it a plot by THEM??? Jeezus man...do you NEVER think outside your box???
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>Unfortunatel, our MICRO Assyrian political organizations were fond of such STUPID idea, as one of them said in having our own state, we could guarantee our freedom to do any thing we want, forgetting that in the first place, the so-called MICRO STATE is ours even as we speak , that the Q...sh OUTSIDERS and EUSURPERS didn't stop them to go in an Assyrian village and occupy A building office whach was BA'ATH office before and grabbed a person which was beated by them almost to the DEATH and the EYES of the liberatore WIDE OPEN, with their ZOWAA too.

...things happen in wartime..ask Aprim. Women get blinded and their babies get killed, ask Aprim...children get starved to death and it`s okay...a country gets attacked on trumped up charges..and some Assyrians get beaten and their offices taken over..big deal...ask Aprim. The Kurds are doing what you would if you dared. You are merely egging on the Americans to steal Kurd lands and give them to you because they "belonged to you" 3000 years ago. There is no precedent at all in international law for the kind of deamnds you are making..everyone you`re complaining to knows that`s how nations are made..through theft. Look at the creation of Israel...that was out and out theft of Palestinian land..and it happened barely 60 years ago and it`s okay with everybody. You expect these people to be alarmed and moved to restore YOUR rights??? They are all theives and liars and murderers...just like the Brits were in 1915...and 1920...and you STILL expect some good to come to you from them?

...you are a muddle inside a confusion wrapped in mush...but I have to give you credit for at least braving the storm...of words and ideas..that the rest of them run from. Assyrians my arse.



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