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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Wednesday, May 12 2004, 3:50:34 (CEST)
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...at beth two born agains are having an "argument" to settle something. It`s a silly and an old ruse. One of them poses as a "doubter" and feeds the other guy all the right "questions" phrased so they can be easily shot down...then they go off together hand in hand laughing at the dumb clucks on beth..like everybody laughs at these "assyrians". So I thought I`d join in...

Creation is not the obscurantist view point; creation is not blind faith as a matter of fact evolution is blind faith.

...their usual gambit is to make a preposterous statement sound real just because they say it is. Their faith being blind, deaf and dumb too...and that being so obvious, they decide to turn things upside down and claim evolution theory, and that`s all it is, one explanation...is based on blind faith. It`s good cop bad cop and all crap.

Not only evolution is inconsistent with the world and the word, but evolution dispenses with God and makes man the center of his own universe.

...It isn`t inconsistent at all..it came from the world and discusses the world. You don`t have to agree or like it...but your tastes mean nothing. Evolution has nothing to say about god, except to say maybe he started it all...with a germ. It isn`t interested in god, in proving anything about him one way or the other..it`s you fellows who take your god into evolution and then get pissed because he doesn`t fit the way you think he should. Why don`t you argue with someone your own size?

Sir Julian Huxley, great grandson of Thomas Huxley well known for being Darwin’s bulldog helped popularized many of his notions. During the Darwinians centennial convention at the University of Chicago 1959, world leaders of evolutionary thought gathered together to pay homage to Darwin. Did you attend? Just kidding you’re a young person no way you could have attended. It was the 100th anniversary of the publication of the Origins of the Species. I remember a few months back.

You Wrote

“Darwin was said to be the kindest most decent man to everyone especially fellow scientists and his family. Because of religious fanatics, he withheld his theories and his evidence and had to be hounded to finally publish as an old and dying man.”

...this is what tweedledum supposedly said...it isn`t factual at all. It`s like being "quoted" as saying that Jesus is clearly a fraud of the Roman Empire`s creation...so what? It`s not a statement of fact...just my opinion. But the other guy is now going to "shoot it down". They`re like a comedy act...a fall guy who feeds lines to the straight guy.


You really think Darwin was such a great person? By the way did you know Origins of the Species had a subtitle? Most people forget the subtitle conveniently. You know what it was? “Preservation of the Favored Race and the Struggle for Life.” Sir Julian Huxley said “In the Evolutionary system of thought there is no need or room for the super natural” sounds like somebody I know anyway he goes on “the earth was not created it was evolved and so did animals, plants, humans, mind, soul, body and so did religion.”. He goes on to say. "Evolutionary man can no longer take refuge from his loneliness by creeping for shelter in the arms of a divinized father figure who he himself has created”

...makes sense to me.

This guy go to be kidding me.

..this guy didn`t know you and wouldn`t be interested in kidding you or not.

If you want to live life by the dictates of your own will, GET RID OF GOD. Think about that long and hard. No ACCOUNTABLITIY.

...if anyone has no accountability it is you born agains who can sin and fuck as much as you want to..more even..and then get another orgasm by repenting..you boys COME to Jesus and come ON Jesus ten times a week...you like divine sex so much.

Here is something that really shocked me and I am sure it will shock many others.

...say it all you want to...your saying it isn`t shocking.


Evolution is racist. Hold on I did not say not every evolutionist is a racist, but evolution is racist. Think of Charles Darwin who didn’t invent it, but certainly popularized it.

...bullshit. For the church to peddle an image of the Jew Jesus as if he were born a Saxon and flaxen too...is Racist ...and so is nine-tenths of their teaching...and if you scratch this boy he will tell you the Holocaust never happened..or that it was done by a lone "monster" who hadn`t been raised on the church`s hatred of Jews..but then born agains don`t recognize Catholics anyway..they live in a ward all of their own.

He Said “the more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hallow in the struggle for existence. At no very distant date an endless number of lower races will be eliminated by higher civilized races through out the world.” And Thomas Huxley reminder Darwin’s bulldog said “No natural man cognizant to the facts that believes the average Negro is the equal still less the superior to the white man, it is incredible to think he will be able to compete successfully against his bigger brained, smaller jawed rival in a contest carried out by thoughts and not by bites.”

...and Christians damn all people, children too, to everlasting hellfire if they refuse Jesus...whereas these fellows shared many of the prejudices of their day..they still thought outside the box...you boys are inclusive...you are modern..you damn EVERYONE who won`t accept your purile gods..you set yourselves up as not only the arbiters of your own wills but also the ones who get to tell the rest of us what god, your god, expects...you appoint yourselves his salesforce on earth, damning left and right anyone, Black, White, Blue dead 3000 years or born today..and all of it based on the same crap all you mean-spirited people base your religion on. Go love your god the way you please..leave the rest of us to leave him alone.

This is a racist dogma that talks about favored racist, lower and higher racist and today Christianity is being vilified. When Christianity clearly teaches black, white red or yellow we are all precious in the sight of the Lord, there is no difference.

...no it doesn`t. If we refuse your fucking Jesus we ALL go to hell. A religion that says it favors everybody..and then damns everybody for the flimsiest of reasons is a religion from hell.

You wrote:
“He did not kill God, he glorified him... for to take a piece of clay and make a man is not as glorious as devising something so divinely inspired and beautifully eloquent as evolution... I thank God that he gave us these beautiful scientiific theories to find with clues of evidence from his divine and glorious creation of the universe... you need to learn science to find out”

Huxley also coined the term Agnostic. He lectured frequently against the resurrection. He was opposed to Christianity with full force and might. Come on now.

...you go on now. If you`re going to come to us with the equivalent of "Pigs Fly On Mars"...three jews told us so 2000 years ago..you`d better have more proof.



...the danger in "Faith" is that by definition it has to defy logic and human reason. It takes no "Faith" at all to say Jesus was murdered and rotted away in peace..for we know from everything around us that this is fact...no need for faith at all. But you need Faith..that is you have to suspend or altogether get rid of your logic and Reason to believe he got up and flew to heaven on the say-so of three Jews you never met. People demand a contract and a guarantee when they get their roof repaired…they take no one`s word for anything then, then “Faith” alone isn`t good enough they dmand PROOF fast enough…but for god?.

That`s why the church fought science, discovery and Reason for 1000 years. A mind that respects the rational will make a poor acolyte. Instead people were taught and forced to believe that the mind is weak..that it`s beset with "problems"..that it doesn`t adequately deal in the realities life throws our way...so have faith instead brothers. And of course after growing up with the threat of hellfire and the gallows before you from childhood if you dared ask where the sun came from and fed the nonsense the church doles out as education…your mind would more than likely be the weak pile of mush the church said it would be.

Centuries of this kind of learning and you can`t talk sense to these people..their eyes glaze over..they pant and then all but yell and talk in tongues that the DEVIL IS IN YOU..and all because you want to use this marvel of a mind nature gave us. Rational thought scares the shit out of them..you can argue any one of them into an apoplectic fit and not break a sweat...for they`ll ultimately take refuge in that shop worn trick of theirs..."You just have to have FAITH". And if you wont have that faith...to hell you go..or to prison if they could just introduce legislation that would FIGHT EVIL..like them old roasting and toasting days known as the Dark Ages when the only light allowed was that from burning heretics.

They`ve already wormed their way into our legal system..we feel releived that "Men of Jesus " are being put into government so there will be accountabillity to THAT nut case in the sky. We have people heading commissions who rely on their Faith..not just in Jesus but in the accuracy of “scientific reports” that say pollution is no big deal...or that the kid who drew the picture is really plotting to blow up the United States. these people, whether as generals or commission heads or judges...have learned to look beyond mere physical facts staring them in the face..they "FEEL" the TRUTH way down inside of them..they have FAITH that their personal prejudices (which is all religion is) are right and correct..that the kid REALLY is guilty..even though the silly facts of this earth don`t support the charge..and they`ll damn that kid...I mean, they`ll sentence that kid to whatever punishment one should get when one defies FAITH..deifes the faith the judge has in YOUR GUILT!!!

It`s treacherous ground we`re already well on...and they have their funding now for more madrassahs that will teach the supremacy of FAITH and the fallibillity of that silly brain of yours. In time there won`t be any need for a litmus test..it will be enough to know that the man or woman is a person of FAITH...by that alone you`ll know that person relies more on the abstract fancifull yet personally pleasing to believe FAITH in things than he or she ever would on clumsy facts and proof Reason or logical deduction..which are all corruptible and useful instruments for the Devil to confound you with.

You can almost hear a prosecutor in court saying to a jury on summation..."Yeeeeesss brothers and sisters...I KNOW the facts of this sinful world don`t support the State`s case...but what facts of mere human invention can compare with the TRUTH of the LORD...brothers and sisters I say amen...I SAY amen...I say Amen..and I want to shout it out brethren that as god will so shall ye do...and god has willed that this man be brought before you brothers and sisters..I say BROTHERS AND SISTERS to repent and face up unto the Lord that he has SINNED...for lo we are all sinners in his great sight..and so...I want you to do as you KNOW the Lord would have you do..for after all...brothers and sisters...did not Daniel receive a sign...and was that sign not only for Daniel..for the chosen of the Lord??? Would you expect the lord to WASTE his SIGNS on the undeserving??? Of course you wouldn`t.

So I want you to look in your hearts for that sign..that sign I KNOW the lord has sent into your good and Christian hearts..I want to raise your hands and say witrh me...I SEE THE SIGN...oh, come ON brothers and sisters...all you have to do is SEE it and it will be there, WILL IT INTO CREATION!!! You have the POWER…the POWER OF FAITH...he`s waiting on you my friends..yes, the lord of creation....general of the heavenly hosts is WAITING ON YOU to hear his message and do his bidding so peace and justice and righteousness may reign down like manna on this desert we are now lost wandering in...I want you find this sinner guilty of the heinous crimes laid at his feet by a just and merciful god...for, brothers and sisters, ask yourselves this..if god did not want this man here facing these charges, would god have brought him BEFORE YOU??? Would god have willed you to sit in judgment over him if our divine and heavenly father didn`t NEED your help?? Didn`t need for and beg for and plead with you for your help in doing your part so that the days of milk and honey can return????

I know some of you are thinking that the State didn`t make it`s case..didn`t present sufficient evidence..but my dear people...did Jesus have SUFFICENT evidence??? Did Daniel..did Jephtah...did Amos and Moses??? Or did THEY MOVE MOUNTINS...with faith alone..little itty bitty faith that can be a MONSTER before the lord if only you`ll will it.

So...brothers and sisters of the jury...I say look beyond the mere facts..for if we were ruled by evidence and proof...would any of us believe in JESUS TODAY!!! of course not. We come to Jesus for Truth because we BELIEVE..we have FAITH..we do not ask with the Pharisees..."did he get his Miranda rights read to him"...we do not ask with the Sadducees..."was there a lawyer present" when our lord was scourged. Indeed we rejoice even unto the beating administered in the cell block that tested our Lord`s will...tested it and found it PURE and without stain or chance for appeal.

Reach into your hearts brothers and sisters..look deep to where your Faith is and you will see clearly that this sinner is GUILTY!!!

...of course all of this has to be accompanied with "yassirs" and "Uh Huhs" and a lot of "Amens". It also helps if a few spectators scream and faint and if the bailiff suddenly speaks in tongues, the picture of a heavenly courtroom on earth will be complete.
To cap it off all that remains is a huge choir made of huge men and women raising the rafters by shouting out..."His Judgement Day Will Surely Come"...along with a rendition of "I Don`t Need Habeus Corpus When I Got De Corpus of De Lawd".



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