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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Wednesday, February 11 2004, 21:09:47 (EST)
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I would be interested to learn what it is, specifically, in Christ’s teaching that you object to.

...Christ didn't teach anything...you think he did because it's written in a Jew history book. Christ was USED to teach a lesson...that the gifts that come your way through the murder of innocent people are okay to accept...and the highest gift put out before people is eternal life...because it is known people will commit almost any crime to get it. Christ said love one another and be kind to cats...and that was nothing new and hardly worth all the fuss. You are stuck having to slander Assyrians with every word of praise you give Christ...the Jew. He was a nice guy...worked in the family business...tried to enlighten his people so they wouldn't rise up against the occupying Romans and get killed some more...in the process he supposedly said he was the son of god...which is absurd to believe...and he got killed for claiming there was another god besides the emperor...that's all. I see nothing there to write home about.


Do you really believe that, if the human race, individually and collectively, followed his teachings, that it would be in the shape it is in today?

...there you go again. We haven't settled on what his teachings are...you're trying to sneak in the back door and posit "Christ's teachings" like that phrase meant anything...or the same thing to all people...or to me. You have to define your terms...I certainly am.

Were all the evils committed in the time that has elapsed since Jesus Christ walked this Earth, attributable to his teachings or not?

...I think you are confusing yourself.

For now, let’s just stick with His example and what He has said, as it has been recorded in Scripture. What do you find objectionable there?

...I object to Scripture...to the idea that these were the things Jesus said or taught...they were nothing new...nothing fantastic...they were old news in Betnahrain...it's just that the Romans got hot and bothered by them...not us.


> Every individual who comes into this world is a unique individual formed under a unique set of circumstances. Each of us has a different perception of the world we live in. Each of us is vulnerable, in varying degrees and in a different way, to the forces that surround our lives. Some people are highly suggestible or easily influenced by others. These factors and probably a million others, mostly too subtle to detect, are constantly at play in our lives. Some people might say that it is these unique factors which determine our lives and the choices we make for good or ill, not religion. That would only be true, however, for those who choose to believe that, not because it is a Universal Truth, but because they believe it is true for them. Tomorrow they could choose the opposite to be true and they would act upon that belief as though it were true. That does not make it Universally True.

...that's why Christianity split into several murderous sects, because the whole thing is built on sand...on what five Jew fishermen said they saw...and from that silly "fact" has proceeded all this to-do...about less than nothing.


If a person, like Pontius Pilate, is a slave to the world he lives in, then anything can be true for him and nothing is true.


...Pontius Pilate killed nowhere NEAR the number of "Christians" that the Romans killed AFTER becomming Christians themselves. There are letters from the Emperor Trajan to Pliny the Younger expressly forbidding soldiers from seeking out or harrassing these Christoi...but...if they insist upon making their presence and their beliefs known...so they can get to heaven too...then they are still to be given a chance to show respect for the emperor as well by lighting an insense stick at his altar...and that's all. No one asked them to deny Christ..the Romans knew all about gods and the multitudes of gods there were in their world...all a Christian had to do was nod his head in the emperors's direction..the emperors knew damn well they weren't gods..but they had a far flung empire by then to govern and they were half of them half insane anyway...but still, Trajan makes the point that Christians are to be left alone to believe as they wish...just obey the laws..render unto Caesar...even Jesus said it. Christians are embarrassed that when Christianity gained power the first thing it did was hunt up other Christians..and they went on killing Christians for 1000 years...or don't you read?

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