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Paul Younan wrote:
>>...there is nothing to be gained by posting at your place...and I told you, I don't trust you...I have no wish to get lectured and banned by some other old biddy at your place...what for...where's the benefit?
>You wouldn't get banned. I told you already, I wanted to return the favour and give you an audience of traditional-Jewish and Christian-Jewish scholars, a place where you can air your views and I can watch and enjoy your demise. There's plenty to be gained.
....My views can withstanbd their views..their "facts" fall apart fast. You have to provide sources for these claims....
>>...that's hardly the case here...there was a second part to your campaign to show me mistaken and that was to tell how those eastern Christians got that way...and that would depend upon your giving what evidence you have as to the vast numbers you claim leaped into Christ...I dropped the Romans, for now...and said next that your figures are bogus and based on nothing more than saints and miracles and wishfull propaganda...ansd fdor you to say you won't "rush" in this time..as you did with your maps..because your feelings are hurt...well, you are the same lying scoundrel you were before....mine was an error in fact...your's is a Lie.
>Dummy-head, there are 22 million Christians of the Syriac heritage in India alone, TODAY, after all the massacres at the hands of Tamerlane back during the 14th century.
..that is one big LIE...you get us some census figures..you god people have relied too long on your supposed connection to the Divine that insulated you from hard questions..well no more. We see well enough what a liar YOU are and I have no doubt the rest are too...I asked you for FACTS...that means things that can be verified..and verifying does NOT mean asking your firnd...give us the sources.
What makes you think the vast Asian continent couldn't have held 80 million Church of the East members back in the 14th century, during it's greatest missionary activity and height with 29 METROPOLITANS and over 400 BISHOPS owing allegience to the Patriarch at Baghdad? All of them signatories at Synods held in Baghdad?
..I told you why..because on the face of it the idea that people threw away their own cultures and deepest religious beliefs for this Jew crap is one HUGE lie..and improbable as hell. THAT is my basis for QUESTIONING..I leave it to you to prove me wrong by supplying us with FACTS..and your own church`s assessments are NOT facts.
>Seriously Farid, history is *not* your strong point. You make light of 600 graves and wonder how that represents 80 million, but your reasoning is faulty. Those 600 graves were found on the edge of SIBERIA, for cryin' out loud.
..that was a joke jackass...like all your claims.
There have been hundreds of sites which have been recently discovered all across the Asian continent where Church of the East buildings, cemeteries and manuscripts have been found. From Socotra to Java, from the Philippines to India and from China to Japan and back to the middle east and Turkestan. Are you kidding me?
...that proves nothing more than that those people were tolerant of this funny sect..I want PROOF...or at least something OTHER than church sources...if you don`t have them SAY so.
>Have you never read Marco Polo or William of Rubruck's accounts of their travels across Asia along the Silk Road? Of their encounters of Christian kingdoms and innumerable churches belonging to the Assyrian Patriarch at Baghdad?
...get lost. Let`s say I haven`t...PUT THEM HERE!
>Major cities along the Silk Road with vast Church of the East diocese' included Agra, Aleppo, Baghdad, Basra, Beijing in China (then called Khan-Balik), Bukhara in Afghanistan, Chang 'an in China, Delhi in India, Trichur in India, Malabar coast in India, Dunhuang in China, Guangzhou in China, Isfahan in Persia, Kabul in Afghanistan, Karakorum in Turkestan, Kashgar in Kazakhstan, Kesh, Khotan, Merv, Ormuz, Samarkand, Yamamoto all the way over in Japan.....and on and on, I could list hundreds of places where Church of the East existed in large numbers all across Asia.
..like I said...small communities here and there..you`ll notice that in all those centiries not a ONE of those countries you mentioned ever became Christian...you people were a minor inconvenience..like you still are...
>Farid, you need to read up on Church of the East history - the Church of your Grandparents and not that piece of shit Lutheran Western crap somebody in your immediate past converted to in Urmia.
..I will be happy to read any objective book. So far you sources are all tainted...your argument is twaddle..there is nothing in Judiasm to impress a cat...Those fnatastic cultures did NOT convert..they tolerated.
>>...put up AND shut up.
>Seriously, Farid. The Church of the East during the 11th-14th centuries was the LARGEST Christian denomination at the time, much like the Roman Catholic church is today. WE were the largest. Any student of Asian Christianity knows this. I can't believe we are debating about such elementary things.
..that means nothing..if there were ten here and twenty there , then forty would be the LARGEST. I want to know numbers and sources..I know all about the miracles.
>>...I'll bet you're writing the "book" right now. How come you didn't wait to get to it when it was a matter of a map?
>There's a map of the Asian continent for you. As for Karlsson's book, I have not made it to the library yet. I have more pressing matters right now than to give you an education you should have received back in 8th grade.
..I told you...a map is not the proof this time...we need to know how these guesstimates were made..on what basis etc...facts numbskull...it was objective FACT you shot dowm my Roman thing with...I don`t want your fantasies this time.
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