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Re: Viability as a Pre-Requesite for Personhood.
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Thursday, September 9 2004, 8:02:16 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>Shushan - I am appealing to your pro-life stand here. Farid essentially believes that a pre-born baby isn't a rights-bearing individual because it is, by its very nature, incapable of assuming the responsibilities that go along with the possession of rights....which are, according to him, the ability to "survive" on its own.

..viability is NOT a responsibility...you`re speaking in tongues again and trying to jumble things together..and that`s being charitable..we may just have to conclude that this IS the way your mind works...viability isn`t responsibility..the two are nowhere even close...viability means that the LIFE is LIFE ON IT`S OWN..and when applied to a fetus it means, "can the fetus exist on its own, away from the mother`s basic biological support system". If it can then it can be said to be alive because it exists on its own internal functions without requiring hook-up to a mother or machinery.
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>That statement fits my 8-month old and my 3-year old. As a matter of fact, it also happened to fit my now-deceased uncle who was severly mentally retarded.

..of course it fits..you could cook in a hat if you defined it as a "pot"...if you`re going to make up meanings..what`s the point?

..if you define it the way sane people do...it doesn`t cover the cases you mentioned because those people have their OWN systems going...anyone can step in and feed and care for them...if the mother is removed..that`s not the case when the fetus is in the womb and NOT viable..it can`t be babysat or raised by foster parents..it needs the biological functions of the mother`s body..that`s the difference.
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>I hope everyone out there realizes the chilling implications of Farid's stance, especially since his feelings are very indicative of the "Pro-Choice" crowd.

..and I`m sure they underatand that nothing you`ve proposed is going to STOP abortions and that all you`ll succeed in doing is turning the clock back to when women were forced into back alleys for dangerous abortions..thereby you will have merely achieved the "moral" postion of getting TWO murders for the price of one. That isn`t so cheery to contemplate.
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>If rights are given only on the basis of being able to survive on your own, then we are in deep shit....and no one more so than Farid who has been parasitic since his natural birth.


..it isn`t "rights" that are being GIVEN anywhere..our government takes away life all the time..there is no RIGHT to life..the life of the fetus is being terminated..as it ALWAYS was for 4000 years in abortions..we just don`t want the mother to die AS WELL. Why do you object to saving the mother?
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>According to Farid (and Habibi, for that matter), all we would need is to get a majority of people in government who think handicapped people are parasites and they're done for....except Habibi would make sure the law contained an exception for dark-skinned people.

..our government decided already that Iraqi babies were enemy babies and it was okay to starve them to death..and as I recall not a ONE of your god-people spoke out against it..in fact they pray for this war to continue so they can be "safe"..from babies?
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>This is why the pro-abortion movement is so terrifying - all you need to do is classify one group of people as having no rights and they are fair game for whomever is in power. (See Nazi Germany, 1944, for another example).

..why go back to those moral Christians who also prayed to yahwe...why not stick close to home and discuss YOU and the Christians in this country who just said all Islam is EVIL and any Muslim anywhere is fair game...look around you chump..get yourt face out of every woman`s vagina...if you say YOU don`t approve..then why can`t we approve of abortions? Why do you come prosletyzingf about the one and skip the other..and why can`t we ignore the existence of legal abortions the way you ignore the legal starvation of children? And why do I go through point by point to answer yoiu while you skip and leap over so many things you can`t answer?

If you can dehumanize "fetuses" as "pulp" and "forked radishes"....you can dehumanize Muslims as "towelheads" and "terrorists."

..why dehumanize the mother? Why subject her to barbaric medical practises she doesn`t have to endure any longer..why dehumanize her?

...for the millionth time...the fetus dies ANYWAY no matter WHAT kind of abortion you get...nothing you or your god or church has done for 2000 years has stopped abortions..the fetus gets killed ANYWAY...all we`re talking about is not sacrificing the mother TOO! What does that have to do with all these fright tactics of yours? You want to scare us or "move" us into killing the mother AS WELL? It isn`t as if WE just made it so the fetus NOW dies where it never did before..it has ALWAYS been killed in an abortion, legal or NOT! How can you avoid seeing that in favor of camels?
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>Think that's far-fetched, Shusshhh? Abortion, Euthanasia, doctor-assisted suicide, "quality of life", etc. It's coming, baby - thanks to the "humanism" that the likes of Farid and Habibi subscribe to.

..what moral determined that you can kill perfectly healthy Iraqi babies..who never harmed anyone? It was your OWN fucking god who tried to wipe out the human race then chased his son till he got him killed too...what do you mean "it`s coming"? YOU brought it WITH you! You want the mother to risk death AS WELL..that`s all your "morality" amounts to.
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>-Paul



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