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Posted by Parhad (Guest) - Friday, September 17 2004, 0:42:50 (CEST)
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>__________END FARID'S WORDS___________________________

..I wish you wouldn`t refer to me as FARID`S WORDS…smacks too much of hero-worship.
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>So what can we draw from this epiphany you had?

…calm down…you made me lose my first answer you got me so jumpy. I had no nuthin..unlike you my ideas aren`t fixed..they are fluid. As long as we agree you are a Jew who converted “naturally” from Judaism to Christ…I don`t care what you are. My argument is with anyone who says Assyrians converted willingly to yahwe and away from Ashur..I don`t know who the thugs were in EVERY instance..but I know some thug SOMEWHERE must have forced Pagans to convert..by force..including the Armenians…I never quite understood your Jewishness before..I got it finally and we have nothing to argue about…but it`s funny how you have time at work to answer SOME things…go your ways.
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>(1) The Church of the East (Partho-Sassanid Persia) is a different entity from the Church of the West (Latin-Byzantine Rome)

…..the church at Constantinople was NEVER part of the Western Church..it is the real Church of the East..you people are a small heresy..that`s all. But go ahead…be what you like..
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>(2) The Church of the East had an independent beginning, independent history and is till this day independent from the Western Church

…So did the Protestant church..it too had an independent beginning, independent history and is still independent from Rome…so is the Orthodox church…but you are ALL beholden to yahwe..and I say again, no Assyrian would EVER have left Ashur for yahwe…never!
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>(3) Unlike the Church of the West, the Church of the East had no Constantine

…We`ve been through that..you boys are a Jewish offshoot..no need for a Constantine at all…if he or his heirs had ever gotten ahold of you they would have killed you all…just like they did to the other Jews they caught.
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>(4) Because we never had a Constantine in Persia, the Church of the East never became an official creed of an empire

..true.
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>(5) Because the Church of the East was never in a position of power, it could never *force* itself on any other people

…it had to need to…it presented its case…and was rejected often enough..it`s true it killed no one to FORCE them into Christ…
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>(6) Because it could never *force* itself on other people, because it never had soldiers to propogate it, it never forced people in China, India, Turkestan, Mongolia, Korea, Philippines and Japan to convert to its religion.

…I don`t buy that. There are other ways of forcing people..we see it in Fucking Ken today..we saw it in Urmi when Western missionaries came bearing gifts..there must be something unconvincing and not very deep about your faith if people leave it with NO force…just a warm cup of tea and a book. Let`s just say it doesn`t really interest anyone all that much..

…And that might be because by its nature it is a religion for people who are seeking something better the only place they have any hope of finding any improvement..in another life after they die…I can see it being appealing to the lowest classes wherever it went..and judging by the qualities you`ve shown..I`d say that was its appeal and also its failing…it was made to order for people who aren`t made for this earth..and those kinds of people will dump you as well if another sect will give them something they couldn`t earn for themselves here..or thought they could never get.

..after ages of poverty and being told that was the way to go…many were “swept” away by the few goodies the Western churches brought..things they could afford because businessmen had a hankering for what our lands had to offer..so they sent the equivalent of monks bearing beads and other trinkets..and damn if it didn`t work..and there you all went…splintering all over the place some more. This is not much of a religion..it turns out. After 2000 years of continual drumming your message in VILLAGES…Germans and >French and English and American WESTERN Christians came and took your people away..that easily. The problem comes from this: It is a religion for opportunists…who see a chance for something better..something OVER those who grind them down in this life and at the time of Jesus that would be THE ROMANS…for, silly boy..you`ve escaped the frying pan to jump right into the Roman fire. If you ARE Jews to begin with then it was as a result of the BRUTALITY of the Romans that the urge for a Messiah became so strong…and THAT was what caused you to believe Jesus was HIM.

Your religion is not one of steadfastness..it is a fluid morality that allows you to pick and choose your Messiah as it suits you..Jesus suited you..he didn`t suit other Jews..and there were others as well. On that basis you will always be vulnerable to people getting tired of it all and opting for a modified version of Christ..one that stresses that your SUCCESS on this earth is also a measure of god`s “favor”..which is what the Romans believed and what all European and Western branches of Christianity also believe..therefore your poverty stricken congregants were ALWAYS open to the temptations of ROME…and, as we saw in Urmi..they FUCKED you finally ANYWAY!
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>(7) Because of this, there should be no circumstance under which the Church of the East is to be blamed for anything that the Church of the West committed (e.g., Jews in Auschwitz, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, Puritans, Africa, Iraq today, etc.)

…you are part of the same tradition..I have no doubt if any military source saw any benefit to your religion, they would have used you and you would have LOVED it..it is not virtue on your parts..it is merely lack of opportunity..and we see today..with your vote for Bush and support for this war..plus your willingness to hide out among and be protected by all the wrong Christians who DID bring us those other horrors..that you were merely waiting to be asked. Congratulations..with your support of THIS Auschwitz…with your Church`s flirtation with the West during the First World War…which Tony pointed out..you seem to have been waiting till it was safe to add your “real” Christian votes to this latest murderous enterprise…that`s a virtue to you?
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>(8) We are not Assyrians, but former Jews (and perhaps some Assyrians and others who converted of their own free will, although certainly not en masse).

..if that ever happened…you can have them.

Therefore, we should not use Assyrianism as a front for our Church and our brand of Christianity. The Assyrian Church of the East should return to its former, historic name of simply "Church of the East".

…I don`t care WHAT it calls itself…we already know Christians use the name as a Front…they can change it or underline it…it doesn`t make them Assyrians..and you aren`t much as Christians either.
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>(9) We should also, therefore, remove all traces of ancient Assyrian paganism from the altar area of our churches. This includes the Assyrian flag with the images of the pagan Deities Ashur and Shamash.

…no argument from me. You should also follow through and smash the pagan sculpture you obviously can`t bear to part with…how come?
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>(10) We should live as loyal citizens in Iraq or any other nation our churches reside in. A church should be a church, and not a political~social club.

…amen to that.
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>Thank you Farid, you are truly a reasonable and thoughtful person.

…and you`re still one sick Fuck…however…when you`ve achieved my years and station in life..you`ll accept praise from anything.
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>-Paul

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Open Challenge #2.... Dean - Wednesday, September 15 2004, 20:19:21 (CEST)
- Re: Open Challenge #2.... Parhad - 09/15 21:13
  - Re: Open Challenge #2.... Dean - 09/16 02:34
    - Re: Open Challenge #2.... Parhad - 09/16 03:21
      - C'MON Parhad Paul Younan - 09/16 04:07
        Re: lets talk about your church leader(s) Tony - 09/16 04:24
        Re: lets talk about your church leader(s) Paul Younan - 09/16 04:52
        Re: lets talk about your church leader(s) Tony - 09/16 05:54
        Re: lets talk about your church leader(s) Parhad - 09/16 17:18
        
        Re: lets talk about your church leader(s) Parhad - 09/16 17:17
        
        over your head Parhad - 09/16 16:43
- Check and mate! Tiglath - 09/16 16:09
  - Not quite, Khizma Paul Younan - 09/16 16:18
    - Re: Not quite, Khizma Parhad - 09/16 17:50
      - Thank You Paul Younan - 09/16 23:18
  - Re: Check and mate! Dean - 09/16 21:10
    - Re: Check and mate! Parhad - 09/16 22:21
      - Your own words - THANK YOU! Paul Younan - 09/16 23:43
        Re: Your own words - THANK YOU! Parhad - 09/17 00:42
      - Re: Check and mate! Dean - 09/17 20:22
    - Re: Check and mate! Tiglath - 09/17 14:20
      - Re: Check and mate! Paul Younan - 09/17 19:38

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