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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Monday, August 30 2004, 21:25:27 (CEST)
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Mr. Parhad,
You will find my reply preceded by a bunch of asterisks. I was not able to answer you any quicker than this and in the coming days it is going to be worst. Be aware that I do have a life.


Well, Mr Fil.....You must be aware that we all do...and that thanks to this nonsense we supported and rattled off about on our SPARE time...a whole of Iraqis DON'T.
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*** Your seem to be too short tempered and very impatient. Had you read a few lines further you would have realized that I do read and appreciate a lot more that what I wanted to start my post with a lighter sentence.

...had you been here for the last four years you'd see how long tempered I am and patient...your Cristian forums seem to blow their stacks daily and ban someone or warn them...we have a free and open forum...of course we're patient and forgiving..just in a hurry.

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*** I would urge you not to make assumption on my behalf. Aprim is no hero of mine. My standards of a hero are beyond what we have at this moment in history. I do respect everyone’s right to an opinion and I also believe in giving everyone a fair chance at expressing themselves. Aprim has his own beliefs and convictions and right or wrong he stands by them. We all do and you are not an exception. We all struggle in finding a middle ground in reaching an objective. I am here because I want interact in a civil way to see what benefit the Assyrian cause. We may not reach that ground but it is OK to try.

...when someone asks you, in a civil way, to call him by the name he chooses...it is polite to do so.


*** The Iraqis did not open their doors for us. At the time, the real gate keepers were the British. We were seen a good bunch that could bolster their pet King Faisal and by allowing us to settle in Iraq they saw that as good way to fulfill their empty promises to the Assyrians.

..No. That is not true at all...the Raqqa from Urmi happened earlier, we RAN because of the British and their war for oil...My grandparents ran to Iraq and were saved..and years later my Grandfather warned against trusting the British..they were no gatekeeprs but maintained the slaughteryard they made of all those countries..it woudn't have served their purposes to kill us all..but to use us against the Iraqis was their plan..and Feisal was no friend of their's..he too was betrayed by the Brits and hated them passionately...

I too lost my Grandfather in this period. Let it be know that I am not a great fan of the Levies. I have trouble accepting the long term plans behind it. If our future was to be in Iraq then I have trouble accepting the plan that would turn the Assyrians to fight their future citizens and do the dirty of work of the British. I do have relatives in the Levies and I know a great number of good decent people that joined. However, I do not blame them. The blame lies elsewhere because when you are hungry and in dire need to feed your family you will heed and follow the advice and guidance of others.
..when you are hungry and in dire need you don't sell you family's future for daily bread...you go on a suicide mission against the British...if you're to die, do it with the fullest belly you can manage shooting a Brit in your country illegally and appropriating HIS food..that's the Assyrian way..it's what the Assyrian Mahdi Freedom Fighters are doing now and again...at all odds...they will NOT sell their honor, their country and their children's future for American White Bread...they are hungry too...and have been for 13 years of starvation imposed by Cristians...NOT Muslims.

...there were "good people" in Germany too...just not enough of them.

*** I do not need the Church to tell me. I have lived amongst these people and I know their overall mentality and behavior. Animals do not practice religion but Lions and Hyenas do not care for one another but often share the same geography.

..so much for civility. I don't know at what level you lived or where...I lived in Iraq, Iran and Kuwait and I saw the best people I have EVER met anywhere among Muslims..and I saw scum I recognized later among the Christians of the West...I have no idea what the animals in your sentence have to do with anything.

Over the years we became a nation that had no military command structure. Instead we were guided by the spiritual church hierarchy and there in lies our weakness.

...you have another weakness and that is the English language...you did NOT have a nation. We refer to the "Comanche Nation" but we know it isn't a nation anywhere else but as a figure of speech..and there is far too much of that in Christlandia.

We could not and have not been able to protect ourselves from outside invaders. Somehow, the next best thing was to be a good Christian and love your invader. Only this invader had a different religious agenda.

...No Christian loves his invader..they don't even like those who never did a thing to them...it was only weakness that kept Christians from killing every Muslim around them..as many want to do now...had you the guns and numbers or the United States backing you then..as you thought you had the British when you DID take up arms and kill Muslims, you would have killed GLADLY...you can't make "Strength" from a position of weakness..or use your weaknes...silliness and gullibility as signs of your "morals" after the fact.

..No Christian Assyrian has EVER truend the cheek to another Christian Assyrian..instead he's looked for ways to trip up the ones who pass him by minding their own business.

*** Who is Khalid? I thought it was Salah El-Deen AL-Ayoobi (a Kurd no less).

...Kurds are no different than the rest of the people who once made up our Empire and whose empires once included US...Khalid Ibn Walid, "The Sword of Islam" is the brave and courtly gentleman who led the Islamic army to conquer Palestine...and he kicked the shit out of Christian soldiers..NOT peace loving peasants..in fact this Jizya tax you all complain of was paid GLADLY by Christian villagers who knew damn well the Romans were coming to kill them for the REAL Christ...in one instance when Khalid took the payment...he returned it intact when the Romans made a counter charge and his army had to leave...he had not fulfilled his promise, you see...but the village was spared the Christian "conversion" when Khalid was able to rout the Byzantines..and the villagers again gladly paid for the protection of Islam FROM Christianity.

..The Roman way was to take everything...the hell with a percentage, enslave the population or kill them...take the children ro be raised "Christian" and burn the whole place to the ground...naturally there was no one to "Jizya"...not then and not ever again...hence Christians never "taxed" people..they just killed them all.

You only have to recall what Christian Europe did to Christian Europe...Catholics murdering Protestants "for god"(ten thousand in one day)..and Protestants killing them right back for the SAME god when they had their chance, to realize how gladly Catholics would have paid Islam to protect them where they could not...and how the Protestants too would have leapt at the kind of protection Khalid gave YOUR Christians from other Christians.
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*** Where in Koran does it forbid them from forcibly converting others? Half of the Koran writing is to “fight and smack he necks of the infidels and non-believers. The word Islam denotes and means “Capitulation” or to surrender.

...for the ten millionth time..the "un-believer" and the "infidel" in the Koran is NOT the Christian OR the Jew...these are clearly denoted as the People of the Book...who are equal with Muslims in the eyes of Allah...the" non-believers" and "infidels"are the Pagans!!! And the Christians you want to point out were killed by "Islam" were killed in BATTLE..as they came to kill every "Muslim" they could find....hells bells when have Christians NOT killed Christians that you want to make a Federal case out of Muslims killing Christians!

...conditions among Christians in Iraq at that time were not peacefull, there was no "brotherly" between competing sects..there was war and strife between competing sects..in fact the Muslims forced a truce and sent each sect after it's own Christ without shedding each other's blood...had the Romans conquered they would have forced you to convert or killed you..as Heraclitus killed every Jew he came across who would not convert. Our church doesn't want to admit that Islam could inspire Assyrians..that's understandable but it isn't history...but don't take my word for it...there is a ton of books by valid scholars you can refer to.
*** There is two tons of books that says otherwise.

...I'm surprised there aren't more considering how many advanced "degrees" from how many Chritian schools there are...the amount means nothing...propaganda comes by the ton as well. It takes UNBIASED scholarship to qualify.

*** Hospitality? The old day Arabs perhaps! But not the nowdays Arabs nor the Kurds. Kurdish hospitality is something I would urge you to steer away from and to sleep with your eyes open.

..I have relatives who lived with Kurds..you sound like a White Racist describing African Americans..that's what's so distressing and embarrassing about you people..you come to America and go RIGHT to the Racist part we're just now trying to put behind us.

...I have a third cousin who spent three years living with Kurds up in the mountains and his family and church said he was kidnapped..what else are they going to say..what are YOU going to say? If we are to go by race or ethnic classification then who has been MORE bloody than the White Christians who brought us not one but TWO world wars...TWO atom bombs dropped on sleeping children and their mothers AND a Holocaust in which 6 million entirely inncoent people..I mean COMPLETELY innocent were killed and cooked? When, in that same time frame, has Islam done anything even close? Who needs watching MORE than white Christians?


**** A very minute number of Christian women have married Muslims of their own will.

I am sure a lot of Muslim women have and still find Christians attractive but these poor deprived women are killed for even thinking about it. This same “Honor Killing” extends beyond the Middle East, into North America and Europe. Do their women not have the right to choose? Or does the Koran forbids it?

..you are talking about the least educated and most backwards only...I lived with the others...go to Shitshill Virginia and imagine those Christians..who fuck their daughters regularly as "representative" of all Christians..this is stereotyping of the worst kind...Islam is also 700 years younger than Christianity...go back in time 700 years and see what horrors WEREN'T commonplace among Chriatians then...especially among the lower orders..who were afraid of soap while Islam had public baths and hospitals and libraries and universities...and he greatest cities anywhere in the Medeival Age and were famous among Christian too for being the "Gentlemen of the Medeival Age".
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*** Examples:
- Our traditional biblical names
- My entity
- Distorting our history
- Gazing our villages and place of worship (Churches)
- The right to freely preach Christianity

...you are describing HISTORY not persecution. Besides which none of it happened any more than anywhere else..this agian your church speaking and they aren't to be trusted with anything..not with cash, not with a child and not with "history". Christianity can be freely PRACTISED anywhere in Iraq..as the Christians there just TOLD US. What you cannot do is PREACH it...and that means evangelize OR teach sedition as if it was religion...and they don't care what language you do it in either. Our names were not traditionally BIBLICAL...I fear we have another Christian in poor disguise...
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*** Indeed, there are good Muslim people in every nation. You may have a great neighbor, a best friend or co-worker but generally, you are seen as someone that is a rung lower. Someone, who is like a guest and they may share friendship and even protect you.
..not from my experience..quite the opposite. If you are seen as a rung lower it is because to them it is the heighth of Blasphemy to say a god had a son...and it completely disgusts them when you play at eating and drinking his dead body..it disgusts ME and I find myself thinking you people are not right in the head..who WOULD want this stuff spread around? I think it's amazing they let you pollute your own children..even in private. It is a disgusting ritual and you place it at the CENTER of your religion..not kindness...not honesty..not decency...but Cannibalism!!!
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*** I will accept any Muslim be it an Arab or a Kurd to call himself an Assyrian. But in real life they do not call themselves that.
...well OF COURSE they won't. Would you call yourself an Assyrian if Iraq changed itsname to Assyria and said all Assyrians MUST be Muslim? Your definition of Assyrian has at its core, not Ashur but Christ...why the hell would any Muslim accept that? You people forget that when Assyrians turned to Islam they went ahead and created ANOTHER magnifcent empire..an Islamic Assyrian one..they have ALL the history of BetNahrain to honor and be proud of AND put in perspective..whereas you all stopped in 700 AD and would have nothing to do with the nation from then on...can't even RECOGNIZE it for what it was and instead only see YOUR loss of Christian power and predominance, if you had it even then...and today you say you are ONLY Assyrian..won't even admit there may be Babylonian or Chaldean or Hurrian or Amorite left in you JUST Assyrian...because your CHURCH says so..while Muslim Assyrians accept them all..just as trhey accept Judauism and Christianity and respect Moses and Jesus and Mary where you smear and dishonor their Prophet and where none of you return the favor...to a Muslim Assyrian of Iraq the ENTIRE cultural history of BetNahrain SURVIVED.

...Once long ago Sargon came from the desert and was conquered by the people settled in cities already...much later Hammurabi's people came from the desert and were conquered by the people settled in cities already...and later still Arabs came from the desert and were conquered by the people settled in those cities already...you accept the others EXCEPT for the Arabs as part of your Heritage because they came BEFORE Islam...you STOP at Christ...of COURSE you're going to be backwards and feel left out.

The Arab wants to be known as Arab and the Kurd as Kurd.
Why is then that I can not call my self the indigenous people “ASSYRIANS’?

.....There are no Arabs in Iraq...Arabs are from Arabia...there are Muslims in Iraq..as there are Muslims in Mongolia...but Iraqi and Mongolian Muslims are NOT Arabs. You are confusing a linguistic term for EVERYTHING..it's no different than speaking English and being from England and Australia and America and Canada...speaking English..being a part of the "English Speaking People" does NOT make them all English!

..you are NOT the only indifenous people of Iraq for being CHRISTIANS..and being Assyrian to you means being Christian...NO criteria you Christians set is binding on anyone else..no Iraqi Assyrian Muslim has to TALK about being Assyrian TODAY..that's absurd...you have no way of proving you are Assyrian AT ALL...and to say you are PURE descendants of the INDIGENOUS people who NEVER called themselves Christians is even sillier...you are and they are and we all are DESCENDED from all the cultures of BetNahrain INCLUDING the 1400 years of Islamic Assyrian BetNahrain.


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