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They are your own words
Posted by Paul Younan (Guest) - Friday, August 27 2004, 19:16:02 (CEST)
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>I never said that I was "for" abortion - only that I'm pro-*choice*.

Doesn't one result in the other? How can one be against abortion, but still claim that there's any benifit in making it a valid choice? There's only one main reason to oppose it, and that's a big one.

>When women don't have the protection or education necessary to *prevent* pregnancy,

After generations of sex-ed, women have all the education they could possibly have, and the "protection" is not only available, but advertised on TV, not only that, but the best "protection" only requires that one not do something.

>Then they ought to have the *right,* the *choice* to terminate the pregnancy.

This really means they have the "right" to dispose of another human being as they wish. If that human being has no transcendant rights, why would the women in question, or anyone for that matter? Your argument is consubstantial with chattel slavery, and the "right" of one human being to own another as property.

> And I believe that I said before that abortion is a very difficult situation for women to negotiate.

Strange, but true, abortion mills offer convenient hours, lunch break abortions, etc. because in many cases if a woman doesn't abort at her convenience, she may not abort at all. You'd think that it wouldn't be that way, but it is. That may be because killing your own offspring is an unnatural act, that won't occur in most cases if one has a chance to think about what's really going on.

>No one goes out and gets pregnant just because she WANTS to have an abortion.

Some get pregnant because they get careless, because they can always abort any surprises.

>A woman makes this decision for a good reason, usually: she can't take care of a child and there are few laws that ensure the child adequate care in this society

She doesn't have to take care of the child. Couples are waiting for years, or going overseas to adopt. If you think giving up a child for adoption is hard, remember that you'd end up with no fewer children than if you aborted, and you don't have to live the rest of your life with your conscience eating you alive because, subconsciously, you know you're a murderess.

>OR the pregnancy threatens her

I wonder if you would accept a law that only allows abortion to save the life of the mother.

>and/or the developing fetus' life.

As opposed to abortion saving the fetus' life?

So, we admit that the fetus is a life, and still want to snuff it out? That's telling.....and these are not your words, ha? Like I said, your neo-Pagan morals are situational and pragmatic.

>Whether or not abortion is legal will NOT keep a woman from having an abortion.

It has been historically proven that, contrary to NARAL lies, there were very very few back alley abortions when abortion was illegal.

>Making abortion legal does allow for pregnant women who choose to have it to receive medical care of this nature in a more sanitary environment.

The abortion industry has very successfully fended off all efforts to regulate it, and all too many recipients of this "medical care" are injured and sent home to die, or if they figure out that something is dreadfully wrong, they still end up having to go get patched up at a regular hospital. Such is the lack of follow-up or supervision in the profit centers that are unethical enough to snuff out babies for profit.

>I've said this before, too: if you truly want to reduce the number of abortions in this country or others to a bare minimum, it can ONLY be done through social reforms that ensure women free birth control, education about their bodies,

You can say it till doomsday and it still won't be true. The incidence of abortion INCREASES where birth control and sex-ed are introduced. This is empiracally observed in real and specific places. They all belong to the same mentality. The object of birth control is neither birth nor control. Sex-ed tries to teach promiscuity without consequences, and that doesn't happen in the real world no matter how hard you utopian fools strive to separate action from consequence through "social reforms". Abortion providers like Planned Parenthood push for those things deliberately to drum up business. I've heard that from the first-hand reports of someone who used to do that.

>excellent medical care, and child care (for the impoverished)

Crisis pregnancy centers already help out with this, and the baby gets to live, and far better than being killed, might even be put up for adoption by a family that can provide for him or her.

Does anyone really believe that the typical woman entering an abortuary is doing it because she fears she can't provide for health insurance?
Have we asked ourselves how many women seeking an abortion are impoverished?

>as well as giving rape victims more legal clout.

70% of women who get pregnant in a rape do not abort. First, they aren't the murdering kind so they wouldn't kill a baby in any case. Second, it's psychologically traumatic enough being a victim. Imagine adding the burden of knowing that you're also a violent perpetrator (baby killer), and your own instincts will make that abundantly clear to you in ways that drive you insane. The other 30% are lulled into a life of regret by the "pro-choicers" who don't have to answer for the consequences.

Sure, rape victims should have more legal clout, but does anyone honestly believe that would reduce the incidence of abortion?

>Your outlook would be different if men were the ones getting pregnant, I'm sure....

This hardly explains the sheer number of female pro-lifers.

-Paul



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