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Re: The Southern Sudanese and the Berber
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Thursday, March 10 2005, 16:02:06 (CET)
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Wonderer wrote:
>Pancho,
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>You asked me for a recent example and when I gave you Southern Sudan and East Timor,you brought in Leopold II of Belgium 1835-1909,almost a hundred years back.

..those were home-grown..and every country in the world has had religious wars and civil wars..pay attention, I said when has a Muslim country travelled half way round the world to kill people? The Christians of Europe certainly killed each other in the millions and that was for the SAME Prince of Peace...and tell us why you people killed the Jews...kay?
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>In any case the link below is about Southern Sudan and the last part mentions Jesus,hopefully that will not give you an allergic reaction.

..You know nothing of Jesus...to you is he is the mascot of your victorious and bloody team...I knew him well.
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>You tell me about Christians invading Africa,then what about arab muslims who invaded North Africa amongst other countries and forced the original inhabitants such as the Berber of Algeria and Morroco to relinquish their language Tamazight,their religion and adopt both the arabic language and islam.That's why in recent years they begun to rebel asking for their language back and ofcourse they were suppressed by force.

..what about it? Do you think you can excuse your massive crimes by pointing out flaws in others? Weīre talking about what Christians did...we can get to Muslims later...just as soon as Christians stop making war on Muslims. Iīm not excusing Muslim behavior...but youīre reaching back and over and anywhere you can to justify yourselves..like your victims are "bad too"...you all did the same thing with the Jews, blaming and killing them for something that happened TWO THOUSAND years ago! That was done by a mere handful of people..for which ALL Jews forever were to be hunted down for.

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>Even though not all those who call themselves Christians are following the teachings of Christianity but at least when people such as yourself decide to leave Christianity no one will impose on them the law of redda which in Islam if a person leaves Islam for any other belief,the punishment would be death.

..youīre forgetting your history...Christians did indeed kill and torture and maim any Christian found WANTING in religious fervor..they slaughtered each other with such delight and abandon in Europe that itīs no wonder you people donīt want to tlak about it...like I said..your history came from a priest.

..Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity...go back 700 years in Christian history and you might be pleased to find fires from burning human corpses lighting up the Christian landscape..back in 1300 you people were killing people left and right..not foreigners but your OWN citizens just because they couldnīt quite believe all the nonsense..and then of course during the Reformation , which came 250 years later...you all went crazy..killing Protestant children...and committing more heinous crimes than anyone ever dreamed of levelling at Islam.
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>You wrote:"why was Byzantium trying to push into the Arabian peneinsula? They`ll say it was because they were taking Jesus with them..but the Arabs knew what that meant..it meant death and wholesale rape and slavery and then conversion of their children through kidnapping and force...the Arabs went out to protect themselves by defeating the Chrisatians BEFORE they cornered them in their peninsula"..
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>>>> Certain beliefs of Christianity were already established in the Arabian Peninsula far before there was Islam,and there were Arabs who had embraced Christianity while others were still following idol worship.

..those are NOT "Christian" beliefs...those are common beliefs all humanity has shared..where do you get off calling kindness or fiflial love CHRISTIAN??? There is absolutely nothing in Christianity that wasnīt there before..only this cannibalism business as a way into heaven and everlasting glory..you tacked yourselves on to many many fine and much older belief systems...and now claim they are yours.

Therefore,Christianity wasn't a foreign idea amongst the Arabs,but it was the Prophet of Islam's phrase which eliminated Christianity and then came the invasion.He said:"There shall be no two religions in the Peninsula".

...he was refering to the fucking ROMAN Christians..who were attacking and trying to enslave his people...their history, you know? Those accounts your church loves to flout about "atrocities" visited on poor innocent Christians..as if Islam swept down and murdered peacefull villagers..it was fucking Roman Christian SOLDIERS they killed and chopped up...who were eager to do the same to THEM! Get real will you?

..Muhammad was perfectly right in saying that...he could see clearly that even then you people depended on the "wrong" Christians to make your Imperial religion hum and boom along...your Christianity, as far as non-Christians were concerned, was a religion of conquest and murder and rape and slavery...sure, YOU called it "saving people from error"...but that only fooled your children...like youīre still fooled.
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>You wrote:"The Arabs would not have attacked anyone outside their own lands had not the Romans already attacked Syria and Egypt and Mesopotamia in hopes of "spreading Jesus"...
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>>>> Those were already countries which had embraced Christianity so why would Arab muslims have a beef about it? On the Contrary it was the arab muslims whom when entered Egypt committed atrocities the same as those which were committed by Hulago in Mesopotamia.

...nobody "embraced" Christianity..they were attacked and robbed and killed and murdered into it..and they were not countries at that time and there were LOTS of other religions being practised there...but no one, not even those Christians there who would soon enough be killed by the Romans for being "heretics"..no one wanted the Roman Christians to rule over them.
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>You wrote:"I ask you again to name an instance in the modern era when muslim ships sailed half-way round the world to secure anything".
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>>>> If Ottoman muslims had their way and were able to conquer the rest of Europe,you and all generations in your family would have been paying jizya (head tax) and it wouldn't have helped you any if you would have told them,hey look I'm an Assyrian and I don't believe in Christianity,because then it would have been worse,for you would have been seen as a heathen.

..there were plenty of Christian paying taxes and suffering from the tithe and thefts of lands by the clergy...remember? The history of the Reformation is as much about liturgy as it is about a redistribution of land..which meant wealth..because the clergy had gobbled up almost everything..even down to the Mexican Revolution when the church that DOESNīT tax..had to give up its vast holdings and wealth and land and mountains...cut it out with the tax will you...everyone back then and today pays taxes...Christians paid slightly more..thatīs all..but they were also exempt from military service..and wouldnīt some Americans like that. The Christians swept dopwn and burned everything and stole what they could salvage..what was wrong with imposing a tax...all armies back then lived off the land...took what they needed from those they conquered..the Arabs regularized it..thatīs all...but at the very sanme time everyone else was paying to Rome...big deal...
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>You wrote:"just how old are you and does your mother know you`re on the internet"?
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>>>> That's a good one.
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>You keep on saying,you did this, you did that and you people this,as if I represent Christianity which I don't.Then you keep on mentioning that Christians eat the body and drink the blood of Christ.This has become old and it's an islamic sentence which they use to explain that which they can't understand.

All religions have symbols and certain practices.

Iīm not Muslim...this is common sense...yes, THAT again. Explain to me, since all religions have customs, why you Christians chose the two things all human history has condemned far above others...cannibalism and rituial human sacrficie? Why those two? It isnīt an "old thing"...itīs very very new and constant and not a one of you can explain to anyone who hasnīt had the same brain damage...so you declared "victory" anyway.

I asked you...what would you think of a religion that enshrined child molestation..and had a "symbollic" ritual that involved the priest eating the make-believe gentials of a young boy? Would that also be just a "religious ritual" to you? Would you be one of the special people who could "understand" that? DO you understand it?

haven't used any profanities,I'm just expressing my views and if you decide to ban me from the forum then you ban me,but it won't be for breaking any ru

...that again...you all hope desperately that weīll ban you...so you can claim weīre just like you. In fact...youīll soon change modes and start TRYING to get banned..in fact itīs probably just you all over again. We donīt ban people..they ban themselves..they take themselves away when their tricks donīt work.
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>You wrote:"You`ve been allowed to say whatever you want...no one has removed your posts or blocked your ability to post here...what do YOU call fredom and democracy, the RIGHT to force your views on people? I write what I think...you do the same"...
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>>>> I'm not trying nor would I want to impose any thing that I believe in neither on you nor on any one else,I'm just questioning this hatred which you have,

...you just imposed the word "hatred" on me...I despise despicable things....donīt you? I happen to find your religion despicable..by that I donīt mean kindness and love..I mean your innane and bloody rituals and what they have done to fuck children up..literally too.

and which makes me ask how an artist and a sculptor such as yourself becomes Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde.Iles.

...those are your impositions..according to you people there is nothing to get upset about..power to you.



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