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Re: Yes They Are TOO... Who? Arab Christians or Assyrian muslims?
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Saturday, March 19 2005, 4:04:52 (CET)
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>...and this is the corollary..." Muslims of Syria and Mesopotamia are Not Arabs Either"
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>...but how come any Muslim in Mesopotamia is called an Arab? You boys are being hoisted on your own petards..pricks, to you.
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>...To be an Arab you have to be born in Arabia..."Christian" is not a place...it is not a nationality..it is a RELIGION. "Arab" is also not a religion...but it IS a nationality...it designates a COUNTRY. But not even all Arabs are Muslim...so get it straight.
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>>>> The word Arab doesn't designate a country,but it was added later on to the area which is known today as the Arabian Peninsula and most of the Middle East areas for the simple reason that arab muslims automatically consider any one who is born in the Middle East as an Arab whether he is a muslim or not and that became even more of a policy specially in Syria and Iraq when the Baath party took over and the idea of one calling him or herself other than arab wasn't heard of.

...Not true. The designation "Arab" was used to pull in the Muaslim countries into a confederation...something Nasser tried to do in order to meet the European confederation of Christians squaring off against them...to someone born in Arabia there wasn`t even any such thing as an Arab...as T.E. Lawrence points out..it was near impossible to get the people of the Arabian peninsula to think of themselves as Arabs...never mind the people of the MidEast..this is Christian simplification..something your simpleminded religion suits you for..it`s your attempt to pretend there is a monolithic force up against you...when the West was the monolith all along.

...The idea was Pan-Arabism...the common denominator being the religion...born in Arabia...no different than Christian Pan-Europeanism...and you KNOW no Frenchman considerd himself an Englishman just because he shared a religion with one..or even thought of himself as a European, unless forced into it...the Muslim world is just as jealous of its nationalities and differences..even if they are agreed on their religion.


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>Before the Brits and their allies divided the area and carved it into lands which they called countries then gave them to the arab tribes,the arab muslims tried to unite those countries and started to stick the word arab whenever possible such as having the arab league.

...It was only natural..like a NATO or any other political alliance. They had just finished suffering the combined onslaught of Western Christendom in yet another unprovoked war...they could see the handwriign clearly enough...their common interests lay in forming a common front..an alliance and league...it was also natural that..as the Christians were attacking Muslims and would soon enough murder six million innocent Jews, Muslims form an alliance around their religion...since the West was gunning for Jews and Muslims next...like they are today on their second Holocaust.
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>...This is known as¨"the little trick that backfired" and it eats at the boys. They decided that any Muslim in BetNahrain HAS to be an Arab...because his religion came from Arabia...no matter what country he might be actually from..it`s their way of "proooving" that Muslim Assyrians are really from ARABIA...and should get out!
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>>>> If a person doesn't recognize him/herself as being let's say Assyrian then it doesn't matter what religion she/he belong to,but for those Assyrians who converted to Islam when they were Christians before,whether they wanted it or not through the passing of years and generations they started to see themselves as arab muslims and as such no matter how many times you will call them Assyrians they will not recognize that because being a muslim is automatically attached to being an arab and to them at this point that's the only identity that they recognize.

...they don`t recognize themselves as Assyrians because it is ridiculous to do so. Had all Jews given up yahwe to follow Mugwhump, at the same time you all gave up Ashur...would you consider them MORE Jewish today? Muslims readily admit the conneection, common ancestry and pride in their Mesopotamian heritage...freely and proudly. But they also have a proud history SINCE THEN that includes the greatest civilization of its day...the Great Islamic Empire centered in Baghdad. Muslim Assyrians therefore have 1,300 years MORE of a proud heritage, in ADDITION to their 3000 year old earlier tradition to be proud of..whereas Christians stopped living when the Muslims conquered them...

..it is absurd to claim you are an Assyrian. Simply absurd. There isn`t a shred of evidence for it anywhere...but indeed, you are allowed to believe anything you want to..there are over 400 Napoleons at any given time in mental hospitals and no one bothers arguing with them either...you are petted and indulged when you make these ridiculous claims..but no one takes you seriously...obviously. It`s a mean and stupid way to gain some recognition for your petty Christianity.
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>...If that`s true then every Christian in BetNahrain is really a Jew..or an Israeli at least..and should go BACK to Israel.
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>>>> So are you a Jew or an Arab in this case?

...Doesn`t matter to me...I respect people worthy of respect and there thousands among both Jews and Arabs...I merely know I was born in BetNahrain and that the variety of influences that run throughout my background are the richest mixture of ability and talent and culture there ever was...even in ancient days no one bothered with being pure..this is Fascism in disguise...there is no "pure" blood...not even back then..the very reason that the ancients were so prolific was because they cast a wide net and included everybody...everybody..they had none of these assinine requirements for belongiong you`ve all dreamed up to make yourselves seem important. Christianity is washed up in the MidEast..had Muslims not been so tolerant and followed the example set for them by Christians..they would have thrown you all out or killed you off long ago...there will be no peace in the MidEast until the Christian leaves...and there won`t be peace on earth until we destroy heaven.
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>...In truth the boys are indeed Chriustian Arabs, using their own illogic. If any Muslim in BetNahrain is from Arabia...MUST be an Arab..then any Christian in BetNahrain MUST be a Jew...or, since he`s in an "Arab" country..as the boys insist Iraq and Syria and Egypt and Tunisia is...then any Christian living in an "Arab" country is a Christian ARAB!
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>>>> The arab mentality is the one which forced the word arab on all and every country just because it was ruled by muslims,as in the examples which you already gave as Tunisia,Algeria and even Somalia and Tanzania which have nothing to do with arabs but because they are muslim countries they were automatically entered under the arab league banner and then from the came the Muslim league.

..Hitler had a league too..and you don`t want to know all that the Knights Templar did...you are one of the many boys who was at the bottom end of the economic scale back home and were forced as such to mix with low class Muslims...the same as if your only experience with Christians was from those backwoods and hog wallers of Virginia or in any trailer park where the white trash congregate...you formed your opinions of Islam and Muslims from that...some of us were more fortunate and got to know very different Muslims...and found them to be among the kindest and most decent people anywhere...this bullshit of yours is nothing but redneck Christianity seeking to enoble itself with "history".

This doesn't negate the fact that there are christians in the Middle East who recognize themselves as being arab christians but not all christians are arabs as not all muslims are arabs either.

..who said they were?
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>hehehehehe. Oh where oh where are those BRIGHT Christian bulbs? And where are the HEROES who dare not TALK to an Assyrian??? They are always welcome..should they find the nerve in their Arab ancestry. OH, hehehehehehe!
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>>>> It's a fact that there isn't a pure race any where and that all people are mixed.Do you see yourself to be a pure Assyrian?

...I don`t see myself as ANY Assyrian. There is no Assyria. If today someone in France says he is from Gaul and it belongs to HIM he would be locked up...Native Americans can`t get their lands back and they have treaties promising it to them...no Englishman thinks of himself as being from Albion...this is poppycock.

..I was born in Iraq...Iraq is a Muslim, Arabic speaking country predominantly...with plenty of room for sensible and decent ethnic and religious minorities...but not any longer. It bothers me not at all to be Arab...or anything else. These aren`t Teams we belong to..we are all human beans divided by our common stupidity...I am a human..that`s enough for me...I`m as much Chinese as I am French or Iraqi...



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