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Re: don't get me wrong...
Posted by Maggie (Guest) anngeorgegallery@earthlink.net - Friday, July 1 2005, 21:01:26 (CEST)
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Maggie wrote:

>You are assuming too many things about me, without knowing me.

You wrote:

"...I have your words...plus my own. It would seem to me you could make the same charge against yourself...you didn't know Jesus and have no way of knowing what he said...I, at least, have your actual words. We ALL are forced to make the best assumptions we can...none of us know the people who write our history books...or wrote the bible...we hardly know the people we THINK we know yet for all that, we MUST live and living, for me, is thinking and talking and writing and doing the best I can to make sense of what I perceive...it is enough."

YOu are ASSUMING that I discovered Jesus through the bible, the Jews, etc. Please, don't assume.

Maggie wrote:
>We should never discredit people's beliefs, as you have discredited mine, until we learn people's belief systems are based on their own personal experiences.

you wrote:
"...I assumed your beliefs WERE based on your experiences...I didn't "discredit"...I COMMENTED on. Why are you people so thin-skinned?"

I'm not just talking about physical life experience. Get it?

" Do you REALLY think you're ready to deal in the world as it IS? Like our people in Iraq are forced to do?"

I'm from Iraq, I LIVED it, so you asking this question is absurd. You are assuming I do not know what conditions are in Iraq. You forget I went to Iraq during the imposed sanctions by this immoral society. I didn't care that the law said I could be jailed for breaking the sanctions, etc. I went any way. Why? you don't know, do you? So don't ask me these questions before you know who I am.

"Or must you have rules and pre-conditions before you can join and engage?"

There you again, assuming that I have rules and pre-conditions!

"I'm misunderstood all OVER the place...so what? What does that possibly have to do with ME? Every thinker, every artist, every philosopher...every scientist or visonary or inventer has been MISUNDERSTOOD...so what?

I don't mind being misunderstood, because that is normal. It's being "judged" that I object to.

Maggie wrote:
>I was once where you are today, until I had my EXPERIENCE. I cannot make you understand or accept MY truth until you have experienced it. So please, easy on the judgemental parts. Remember Jimmy's ARE YOU EXPERIENCED?

You wrote:
...no one is invalidating your experience for YOU. It's just that personal experience, devoid of any understanding of your surroundings, while it may be ever so pleasing and revealing PERSONALLY...means little to nothing for those OUTSIDE your magic circle of one. If we are to relate to people far from our personal experience, we have to understand THEIR experience...as it stands now, your personal experience and Kenfuck's and Aprims and mine, mean NOTHING to others...not till we enter THEIR experience and see and feel as THEY do...not exhort them to understand OURS!"

Again, you assume that I am not trying to relate to people far from my personal experience. Or that I do not see the reality of Third World people. Please, you are talking to an old political activist who spent her entire adult life working in the ghettos of Los Angeles with gang bangers, Central American refugees, CHicanos, Pilippinos, Black-Americans, South Africans, the homeless, all struggling to survive. No one paid me a dime for it either! I was 22 and a single mom, putting myself through school and out there in the streets every day gathering all the attorneys, doctors, actors and churches I could reach to build the Central American refugee Center, (CARECEN), the El Rescate Resource Center in South Central, the Oscar Romero Free Clinic, the Catholic missions, demonstrating to end apartheid, demanding divestment from South Africa, smuggling the Steve Bikos of the world to a lecture, demonstrating against cross burnings, demonstrating against San Quentin for using tazor guns against prisoners. I worked all day, went to shcool in the afternoon, and handed out food in the soup lines at night, and still had time to to hold sit-ins and teach-ins all over the L.A. campuses, asking the Army Corp. of Engineers to create murals to reflect the diversity of Los Angeles, painting the indigens on the walls and washes of L.A., establish Assyrian student unions all over L.A. I spent my money and time gaining knowledge and interacting with the poor and the helpless. What did you do to understand the human condition? It's easy to philosophize behind a computer, isn't it?

Did I impose my beliefs on anyone? No! I do no not judge anyone according to the world of ANN, or my magic circle of one. I can't say the same about you when you pounce on someone who believes in whatever they WISH to believe in. Fo me, it's the contradictions that are important and valueable. For example, the contradiction of Jesus emerging out of Jewery. I know you despise the subject, but get over it!

"YOU are not under attack anywhere...YOU are not being bombed by Christians right now...yet YOU are promoting a personal experience in which the founder of Christianity plays a MAJOR part. Can you REALLY not understand how this feels and tastes to those OUTSIDE this experience of your's...who have enough to do to survive their own, which is being made a living hell for them BY Christians?"

I totally understand it, that's why I wrote the article. HOWEVER, are you going to impose a standard on how I'm going to say it, write it, or express it? Do you, or anyone else have that right? No! A Jesus believer can feel and taste the same agony as the best atheist out there. No one has the right to condemn the philosopy or the ideology behind the expression. It is yours, you earned it by whatever means and method it came to you. You do not have to see it or undesrtand it in the same manner, but "Kenf..." it isn't any less demeaning, degrading, and demoralizing than "christening" it.

Maggie wrote:
>By the way, you have posted an old article of mine from 1992, "Assyrian Art and Artist" on your website. Why? Are you an artist or a wannabe artist?

You wrote:
...no. Neither. I didn't post it.

It's your web site and you can say anything you want. What a valhala you have created for yourself!!! Good for you. The only reason I asked is because I thought if your an artist you would have known that ASHUR/EL/BAL/ELOHIM/JESUS/KRISHNA/BUDHA come in many forms, lines, colors and volumes.

>YOu wrote:
>So much potential.........

...it's a shame...ain't it? I mean you could have been SUCH an addition to the human race!


I AM!!! and I do not need YOU to validate ME!!!

Friends?
>
>Ann-Margaret Yonan



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