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Re: heheheheh aprim wants to debate....
Posted by beezelbub (Guest) - Thursday, July 7 2005, 1:48:41 (CEST)
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Maggie wrote:
>you wrote:
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>"...people do it all the time..."
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>Answer-I never do, until I have all the facts.

...no one has ever had "all the facts". I'll venture to bet you didn't have "all the facts" about your first boyfriend...or the next five. In the context of these thingies one can make an educated or slightly-educated guess and move on...it's not like WMDs..no one is going to get killed as a result of anything here and people are usually good about making corrections...no need to make a federal case out of it...you assumed I am Fred parhad.

For one thing, I don't want to make a fool of myself, and another, I don't want to accuse people of something they did NOT do.

..in the first instance, there isn't anything wrong with a little foolishness...in the second place these are not accusations from which anything more grievous than an error results...no one is being shot at dawn...lighten up.
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>you wrote:
>"we assume about the weather."
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>Answer-Weather and people are not the same. People have feelings and emotions which we do not want to trample on, if we can avoid it.

...if people are that tender hearted they should not be crusing around...take your lumps like a woman and get over it...stop crying like some Assyrian man.
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>you wrote:
>"It's no crime and often enough it saves us all sorts of grief later".
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>answer: No, it does not save us grief, other than add to the confusion.

...I'm not confused...I made an assumption based on the similarity of your name to someone else I met once...is this big news where you come from?

I am a minimalist, and I try to minimize pain, grief, confusion, etc for myself and others. I am a simple person and try to simplify my life so that I don't have to haul a bunch of luggage unnecessarily.

...for a simple person who likes a simple life with no luggage you sure do carry on about a simple toilet bag.
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>you wrote:
>"the key is not to stand by and insist on your assumptions when new information comes to light..."
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>Answer-Bravo! that is crucial, and some people are too egoistic to admit their mistakes and move on.

...I love my mistakes.
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>you wrote:
>"and one should bother to find out more in life...that's the reason I'm confirmed in my beliefs about "Assyrians"..."
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>Answer-I agree, one should definitely bother to find out more in life. BUT, Not all Assyrians are the same.

...no two walnuts are the same.

I'm not. I believe in Assyrianism but not at the cost of giving up my morals, ethics and values, (which I obtained through my search, sruggle, and experience) just to prove something. Too often we see people trying to prove something, and like Bob Dylan says, "you're a fool if you are still thinking there's something left to prove".

...no argument there.
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>You wrote:
>"I too assumed all my life that the stories I was being fed were true...I know better now, which proves MY point."
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>Answer-you haven't proven your point when you have yet to tell us what stories you are referring to, (and please don't go back to the "Christian" thing.)

...why not? You certainly never leave it far behind. The only evidence ever presented is the Christian thing...what do you want me to do, invent an independent Assyrian identity for you? Ask a person how she knows she is Assyrian and she will reply, "because Assyrians were the first to convert to Christianity and speak the language of CHRIST...not Ashurbanipal, but a jew carpenter...and then she'll tell you about Abgar and his venereal disease and how Jesus cured him etc...that's THE proof in Assyria. Not a one of these turkeys does anything Assyrian...you've all and I mean ALL, merely stitched the word "Assyrian" to your Nestorian background.


Religion is a personal thing, just like it's a personal thing to choose to smoke or not, to wear make-up or not, to eat seafood or not, to be a vegan or not, etc.

...sure it is...and people are keeping their religion to themselves ALL the time!!! It SHOULD be a personal thing..but it isn't. It isn't personal with Christians when they say no one but they can be Assyrians...and when it forms the entire basis for an ethnic designation long gone and of no relevance today...it is even less personal...it is downright political...and all politics is personal too at some level...so what are we discussing...believe what you want for a religion...but your religion makes murderers out of people from the very get-go...had Jesus NOT been murdered you never would have heard of him...wouldn't believe in him if you had..and wouldn't get to heaven either...it's a religion BORN in murder and goes downhill from there on.

...No sooner did the Romans "discover" Christ and his message of love and peace than they began killing CHRISTIANS with a vengeance, carrying on and through for the next 1000 years...and they haven't stopped killing their own kind YET! No one in the pagan world murdered as you people have done since. And you'll pardon me if I include you in with them..the Law clearly states that if you ride in the car with the gang members who commit a murder...no matter how sweet and different and kind YOU are...no matter that you did nothing BUT be in their company when the ctime was committed, or be known to associate with them and help them in all their OTHER endevors...you are a guilty accomplice and would suffer the same as if you HAD been one of the gang that killed. You are a gang member...a nice one, a disapproving one, one who wants the gang to be less bloody...but you HELP the gang hold it together and provide much needed public relations...you SERVE the murderers....like I do when I pay my taxes...it's part of the modern condition to be a murderer in one form or another...but let's at least not make a religion of it.
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>You can still be Assyrian and expand your sphere of influence. It doesn't take away anything from you as a person, or as an Assyrian. There are many philosophers, playwrights, dramaturgists, scholars, archaelogists, Assyriologists who are not Assyrian, but most of their work centers around Assyrianism and it's relation to world philosophy and culture. For example, the great playwright, Bertolt Brecht was a Marxist German who fled Nazi Germany, and lived in Santa Monica, Ca. He wrote great plays that revolutionized the world by introducing new elements into the German world, such plays as Baal, The Caucasian Chalk Circle, Mother Courage, the Jewish Wife, Three Penny Opera, etc. These plays were about the people of the world, (the Assyrians, Urmia, the Chinese, Canton, the Jews, the Americans, the Russians, the English, etc.) His plays brought the struggles of humanity to the forefront and changed the way we look at others and ourselves. But does that mean he was not German? or his hear was not Assyrian? NO!

...in that sense we are all Assyrians and Germans too...I'm all for everybody being Assyrian...even Christians...so long as they revere Ashur first...don't give me the "they are the same gods" nonsense...if they ARE the same then you can put Ashur ahead of yahwe with no harm done.
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>You obviously are a very sharp person: quick-witted, great thinker, bold, rebellious, brazen, and worldly.


...nah. I get by on my looks. I'm really pretty.

BUT you are a product of ASSYRIA. Inspite of your rejection of some Assyrian values, i.e. Christianity, and maybe even other things I might not know, but you can be Assyrian and worldly at the same time. One doesn't take away from the other.

...of course not...and being an Assyrian I am dedicated to getting this Christian crap OUT of my heritage when it tries to rule the roost or boast of exclusivity...you people are welcome in Assyria...just use the servant's entrance.



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