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It hardly needs to be said that while grairs notice bird shit where the rest of the world sees Art...we can go through what they would call their "idears", one by one and turn them to pudding, while they can only bluster. You really have to stretch to denigrate an Assyrian monument...but blowing holes in grairs is a piece of cake....

Re: I have some suggestions for this forum to the admin here

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Written by GS on 24 Jul 2005 23:12:03:

As an answer to: Re: I have some suggestions for this forum to the admin here written by FYI on 24 Jul 2005 21:10:03:

“…Okay, here are my questions today in regards to the only thing you seem to be posting about liberal vs conservative in America:
How does being a liberal or a conservative Assyrian American in America, affect the dreams and aspirations of Assyrians for their nation and people and what are your priorities?...”

Now were talking. You asked a very good question. I want you to look at Israel and Taiwan as good examples.

...a common tactic...change the subject. If you examine really closely you'll see quickly that this analogy, as most do, breaks down rather quickly...but boys have short attention spans.

Main land China insists that Taiwan is part of it’s province therefore it cannot achieve it’s personal aspiration to becoming independent from China.

...neither could the South...even though our Constitution promised the right of any state to secede from the Union...your "personal aspirations" to have your neighbor's house won't fly either. Taiwan didn't break away from China to free anything...Taiwan, formerly Formosa, was where the murderous warlords, led by Chiang...a budding American puppet, escaped to when the Communists defeated them...they only managed to maintain themselves because China had other concerns back then and the United States armed them and backed them..it was hardly something the people of Formosa wished to do.

The U.S. via the Neo cons foreign policy insists that China is not going to swallow up Taiwan and make it a part of China. The U.S. will stop China at all cost even going to war if China invades Taiwan.

...my...stepped in it already. What do you mean "make Taiwan a part of China"? Are you pretending that Taiwan was never Formosa? That it didn't belong to China to begin with? The Chinese are simply reclaiming what was always their's...you think Hawwai WANTED to join the United States?

Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has a Democratic type of system.

...Israel was illegally made out of Palestine. The UN had no authority to partition off land from a sovereign nation...Palestine had done nothing to European Jews..it was their problem, they should have solved it without bothering the Palestinians.

...Germany was a republic with a democratically elected government when Hitler was elected to office...being a democracy guarantees nothing...America is a nominal democracy that just fabricated lies to go to war with people who never harmed it...if you're going to be blind AND stupid you can say anything.

The only Muslim nation close to it is Turkey with a democracy type of style Government.

What do two countries have in common Israel and Taiwan? They are supported by an ideology that is determined to keep these two countries from being swallowed up by to other types of ideology…one Communism and the other a fanatical Moslem state.

...that gives you no right to murder babies. Communism is a step some people chose to take...if left alone it collapsed easily enough...you can't enforce such a system...but people had the right to find out on their own, no Communist attacked America either, yet America gave itself the right to go and murder them in their homes...you neglect to mention the abysmal governments these countries had before and how much the people suffered...fanatical Muslims are your own creation as well.

Now to go back to your question this is strictly my opinion but giving the certain situation this is what I think the only chance for a revival of an Assyrian Nation to exist.

Assyrians hold claim that what is referred to the Assyrian triangle does in fact belong to the Assyrians. This is the dream we want to achieve and one day make it a reality. Right?

...wrong. As an Assyrian who does things Assyrian I can tell you Iraq, the entire country, will do just fine. What you want is a Christlandia...and that will never happen.

How do you achieve this? The Assyrian triangle would be surrounded by other Moslem countries who will never accept this, just like the way the Moslems don’t accept little Israel or the Chinese don’t accept little Taiwan.

..little Israel is a fascist state...nothing in democracy says fascists can't be in the majority...or that non-fascists can't be forced to vote for them...little Taiwan belonged to China long before Hawaii joined America. Muslims have said repeatedly they will now accept LITTLE Israel..only Israel wants to get bigger and bigger.

What force or entity can make these Moslem countries accept an Assyrian province whose majority is mainly Christian? You guessed it…the power of the U.S. and its aggressive stance on foreign policy with respect to changing the whole Middle East towards a Democracy.

...you are a fool. The Americans can't defend themselves in their green zone...they have been unable to defend anyone else...they are clamoring for Iraqi collaborators to take over the job and they all know they'll be killed the minute America leaves...and it WILL leave...

...turns out there didn't need to be jungles for Freedom Fighters to hide in...the Iraqi people are protecting them in their hearts and with their bodies.

Lebanon for example has been in a civil war for the past 30 years. Can you name at anytime in any moment that it had it's independence on its own without the medaling of Syria?

...how about nations that aren't free because of American meddling? Is Saudi Arabia free...is Kuwait...is Egypt...is Jordan? You may get away with suppressing those who ask you nicely...you can even kill them...but then you'll just have to face their children..it's for this that America will lose every one of these "wars".

As soon as the Neo con Bush Doctrine said Syria get out…Syria had no choice but to get out.

...just as the Poles had to give in to Hitler..because they knew what he would do...being able to push people around because you are a mad dog is not diplomacy.

My point is that the U.S. is a major super power with many responsibilities. The U.S has to cease the moment and implement democracy so it can set the tone for years to come.

..."seize" the moment you ass...but never mind, your ideas are a jumble why should your words make sense?

..the United States is a most irresponsible power...freedom and liberty are not brought to people through Super Powers...these are not comic books. No super power taught democracy to America...people and nations mature at their own rate, as children do...a good parent is one who guides the process through love and an overiding concern for the welfare of those being guided..not with super weapons they try to break people's spirits with, while taking the goodies for themselves.

The Neo cons eliminated the Soviets and now they will try to eliminate Moslems fanaticism.

...you did no such thing...the Soviet system was put into place to deal with the rabid Christians who'd attacked the Russians and murdered millions of their people..it was put in place to remove the Tsar and allow people to breathe more easily...it failed because it was unworkable...and its loss was mourned by many a corporation in America...which is the reason we've been feeding the North Koreans for twenty years now, lest they collapse too and leave us with no reserve evildoers. You are a gullible little fellow, ain't you?

..America has created a fanatic's training ground in Iraq where people with an axe to grind, legitimate or not, can hone their skills..and contrary to what you fools say, that light at the end of the tunnel is another explosion and those are body parts raining down on Iraq, not blessings of democracy. You have done more to create people who have every reason to despise you and your pious cant...as you have caused more Christians to be killed than Iraq ever did.

Only the U.S can make the Assyrian dream come true and the only ones that can do this is the current Bush admin and the Neo cons…if they wanted to.

..this is the same fellow who said only the Brits would make the last dream come true..and he is a fellow who will lend his backsides to any and all Chirstians who come next...promising to hand him a country. In fact, anyone at all who wants to take a shot at Iraq will be welcomed by him...and he'll insist all along that this is Christian justice and right.

It takes a lot of money and a lot of military strength to achieve this. Now it’s up to the Assyrians to cease the moment and lobby hard to the Conservatives. They and only they can make an Assyrian nation revive and come true no one else can.

...I can't thank you enough for spelling (sic)this all out. You are indeed a person of faith. There's a special place in hell for you...believe it.

This is just my opinion. Maybe it’s far fetched but again look to Israel, Lebanon, and Taiwan and the soon to be Assyria. No chance without the U.S. and an administration that has a vision.

...The Chinese will get Taiwan...your super dooper power is no match for a near rival but must content itself murdering children. You can't even get enough desperately poor Americans to join the National Guard NOW...are YOU going to enlist? There is not enough money or paper to print it on if the Chinese become belligerant...they will eventually rule this planet anyway. Israel has no security at all but the Jews must build a ghetto wall around them of their OWN accord..because a super Christian nation brought them to this.

....Your Assyria is a cruel joke you use to torment the Christians who do NOT want your version of Jesus...for we all know that no one has killed more Christians than Christians...for refusing THEIR version of Jesus...you're thrilled to have a murderous army and administration behind you...like you never had in the east...but you are being used...everyone needs toilet paper, but no one cherishes it after the fact...you will be flushed again as you were before.

“…Do you realize that when you conservatives promote bombing Iraqi Muslims, that you are also bombing Iraqi Christians, and Assyrians AND ASSYRIA?...”

Are you a new comer? I have been commenting on this for a long time now.

...so what's your comment? Iraqis too have been commenting on it...but they've been dying also.

How did you get the U.S. and Assyria in the same category?

I thought that is what you didn’t want to do. Read my posts and you will have answers or comments to all of your questions.

...where have we heard this before? What other born-again do we know who always ends his confusion by saying :"read again"..."try harder"..and "I'll be right back"?

You don’t realize that Assyria which is the mother of Iraq is going to connect the Middle East with Asia and the West with trade and commerce.

...you don't realize that words mean nothing.

The Iraqi stock market will flourish and trade will flourish. Babylon is going to be the epicenter of the trade between the East and West. People are banking on this now.
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..and you'll get to heaven on the corpse of Jew.

Iraq is going to become an emerging financial institution just like how Japan was 15 years ago. Wait ands see.

...Iraq was already...so was Iran..that's why the United States began serious meddling..the last thing they wanted was for rich Muslims to buy up American cosporations and cities.

..Japan attacked the United States...Iraq never did.

It took two atomic bombs to get Japan to be our friends

...now there's a priceless observation....that's how these people bring "benefits" to others.

after Japan hit us first and it made Japan a powerful U.S. ally. Sometimes just walking with a big stick isn’t enough. You have to use it or lose it once in a while.

...I have a big stick for you too.

It takes a vision…than it takes determination to see the vision through.

...that vision thing...no? I have no doubt there are planets elsewhere with brighter life forms...to them you would be a barbarian...should they rape your mother and sodomize your father on the way to improving your lifestyle? Would you thank them and become friends because your stock porfolio improved?

...do you doubt that Iraqis would rather have their children alive and homes secure and jobs and be back with Saddam to eveole at their own rate, then to be "liberated" now...even with all these silly bright promises of a stock market you're makinf for them? Do you plan to befriend the Iraqi people further by dropping atom bombs on them...as a friendly gesture?

Every failure is a step closer to success.

...must have been your parent's sentiment.

Some choose to commentate others choose to spectate

..."commentate"??? "spectate"???...thank you again...a boy so lost and muddled and not aware of it shows clearly just what his ideas are worth.

, I choose to participate. What do you want?

...good thing you didn't say, "particulate" You call THIS participating? You've repeated your catechism...that's all. You know nothing of anything you just spoke of...but it doesn't matter...you have faith..so you can be any kind of ass at all.

..that was fun...let's do it again. Give us your take on ancient history next. Could you commentate on that?

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