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so, what is a pagan anyway?
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, April 18 2005, 23:56:13 (CEST)
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...people behave as if the word pagan meant "drunk" or stupid..or cruel..or ignorant..when all it means is tolerant...people who were tolerant and had respect for the gods and beliefs of other people..who did not have a murderous conviction that only their god was to be everybody else`s god. The Hebrews may have believed in one god..but he was THEIR god..for them alone. Where was that supposed to leave the rest of us...who never heard of them OR their god?

All monotheism brought into the world was murder for god. Pagans were kind, decent, loving...good to their children...they were bright...industrious...honest, honorable etc. They had their wars, of course and their cruelties too..but I haven`t noticed anything bloody that Christians have refused to do. Keep in my mind too the the pagan Romans never molested the Christians...they were allowed to believe as they wished..all that was asked of them was to show proper respect for the gods of Rome..the emperor chief among them..if they made a nod towards the emperor they could believe in a Jew carpenter or a Hindu bricklayer for all Rome cared...those who were executed fairly begged for it...to martyr themselves into glory.

The real carnage began when Rome adopted Christianity and began murdering "heretics" left and right...and didn`t stop for over 1000 years...killing with a grim delight never evinced by any pagan culture of note.

All this monotheism does..all it did for those Jews who first lit on yahwe...was get them worked up enough to turn their swords on their own people, using their own hopeless ineptitude as proof or a "sign" that their madman of a god was displeased and must be punishing them yet again...because they allowed whoredoms and fornications (pagans) to live among them in peace. This was something new..how you could consider yourself obeying your god while committing murder for him..and why the hell you`d WANT that kind of god to begin with.

Being "evangelical" just meant going for a walk and murdering as you went. Whereas pagans were as likely to fight over gold or land or water as anyone else..they had not yet fought with people JUST because they had a different god they felt they should be allowed to keep. And if you`re going to attack a small country because they have "sinned against the Lord"..a Lord they never heard of and want nothing to do with..what are you going to do with their gold and household treasures after you kill them all....leave it to rot in the desert? If you break their spirit and get them to convert...you gonna leave all their wealth in their hands and go back home? You gonna refuse to sell them into slavery or profit from this religious war of yours in ANY way?

All "faith" became was the excuse to attack people..people who had what you wanted but did not have your god...and since that meant they were prone to Evil and who knows what else...and in addition were displeasing to your god...you had the perfect excuse to wage a war, never mentioning you wanted their oil or gold or trees..just to "teach them the value of your god"...to show them they were mistaken in their erroneous beliefs and they had better get it right or you`d cut their other arm off.

We just did it again in Iraq. How often were we told that Islam just made those people a threat, that it was "like that"? That Islam was a VIOLENT religion??? Can you imagine a Christian saying that???

Pagans didn`t have or need that excuse..when they wanted your oil they attacked you and took it..that was reason enough and all that needed to be said about it...but then neither did they murder ten thousand of their own people in one night for religious distinctions in the SAME religion..as French Catholics did to their Protestant neighbors...among all the other horrible crimes committed by these people of "Love" against each other...as those old Hebrews started out doing when they discovered their god of the bible.

Monotheism has enshrined and enobled murder...murder, greed and rapaciousness can now hide their heads behind a facade of bringing true religion to people...it is a marvellous device, if you`re built along those lines.



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