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Posted By: Ashur Beth-Shlimon (adsl-68-72-122-194.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) Date: Thursday, 1 September 2005, at 2:41 a.m. Dear all: The Arab unity is a new phenomenon that started in the last century, thanks to the Christians who deserve the credit of its revival, and as Assyrians proud of our history and heritage as the Arabs are, don't have any problem with such unity or even with the Arabs in general period, but the problem is that they try to impose it on us as they did since the Arab/Islamic invasion in the mid of the seventh century A.D. and onward. Mr. Raja G. Mattar's article remind us of the Arab imposed propaganda as always, ironically these Arabists, it seems to me are wearing blinders and can't see but in a one direction and that all the people in the Fertile Crescent and Egypt are Arabs for one reason that they are the human waves which left Arabian peninsula. So, Mr. Mattar basing his argument on that and also try to consider that all those people spoke some kind language which was an Arabic dialect no more no less, and furthermore try to portrait the Arabs and Islam in general to be very tolerance to the subjects of the new impire. We don't have any reservation to what Mr. Mattar and other Arab writers who promote Arabism , but we should reveal the truth as its and not as they wanted it to be , and in order to do that I should split my response to two categories, the first one I will refute the Arab idea to be imposed on us as Assyrians, in that leaving the room for others i.e., the Egyptians, the Syrians and the Lebanese to have their own reply, and the other one is how I will refute the Islamic tolerance as he tried to promote in his article. Most Arab thinkers try to classify all the Semite people as Arabs, because some historians reported that all these people immigrated from Arabia. When we speak about peoples and their movement , actually we are speaking about human race which the SEMITES are a part of it. Today it is a crystal clear that human being that was found in the Horn of Africa is so far the oldest one, in that case the Arab Ideology will be not valid period, others who said that Semite people were from the Syrian Desert, others in Mesopotamia where the Akkadean are known over 8000 years., but if some of the Arabs, Aramaeans and Western Semites fall within this category( nomadic one ), we have no proof whatsoever that the Akkadians in Mesopotamia- nor , for that matter, the Cananco-Phoenicians in Syria -Palestine - were originally nomads( Ancient Iraq - George Roxe , page 139). Mr. Mattar's source of his writing is the Lebanese historian Kamal salibi who in his book ' A House of Many Mansions ' reported how some Maronites try to trace themselves to Yemen or Arabia, while dismissing others who were not advocating such idea but proud to be Phoenicians or if the ' Arabs are united by one nationality , they were free to do so; but the Lebanese remained Lebanese , regardless of the extent to which the outside might choose to classify them as Arabs, because their language happened to be Arabic.( The same source by K.SALIBI page 27). It is ironic that Mr. Mattar and his cohorts try to make us Arabs, while we existed hundreds of years before them that we never call ourselves Arabs, furthermore, we are the one who mentioned and made these Arabs known for the first time in the written history, ' The first unmistakable REFERENCE to the Arabians as such occurs in an inscription of the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III, who led an expedition against the Aramaean king of Damascus and his allies Ahab and Jundub, an Arabian sheikh in the year 853 B.C. ( History of the Arabs, Philip Hitti page 37). It is very interesting that Philip K.Hitti put it very eloquently when he said : ' What now we call " Arab civilization" was Arabian neither in its origins and fundamental structure nor in its principal ethnic aspects. The purely Arabian contribution was in the linguistic and in a certain extent in the religious fields. Throughout the whole period of the caliphate the Syrians, the Persians, the Egyptians and others, as Moslem converts or as Christians and Jews, were the foremost bearers of the torch ... in another sense it was the logical continuation of the early Semitic civilization of the Fertile Crescent originated and developed by the Assyro-Babylonians, Phonicians, Aramaeans and Hebrews." ( Revised edition , The Arabs a Short History , page 72). But for another historian by the name William Pfaff who said the following in his book ' the Wrath of Nations ' : " There is NO Arab nation, as such. The historical experience and reference of the region is not to notion but to religion, commune, empire, caliphate... Iraq has a serious claim to national identity and national autonomy because the modern state exists in historical continuity with a distinct and formidable pasrt reaching to the Mesolithic age, more than ten thousand years ago. The civilizations that subsequently succeeded one another here include the Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, and Assyrian." The other argument is that Arabs consider their language as the mother of all the Semitic languages, and languages other than Arabic merely are dialects of the Arabic language itself. This is a very absurd statement ever to be made , yes we could say that all these languages started as a dialect of the proto Somatic , and in that case is not Arabic , and all these dialects evolved and were under the influence of their surroundings affected them and were affected by them . And a person can't make such assumption, if we could make that, then why not considering Akkadian which is the oldest and to be the mother of these languages . In no place people try to build up a nationalism to be based on language, because as we know that there are other groups of languages just to mention , the Latin, the Slavic, the Anglo Saxon , none of them try to build a nation on such theory, a case in point that all those who speak the Latin group should be considered Italians. What is mockery in the Arab ideology that started early last century in the Fertile Crescent and Arabian peninsula then later to include Egypt and didn't stop there but included whole north Africa, because a few Arab Bedouin tribes immigrated so they should be Arabist and then the Arab League even accepted membership of the Comoros Island in the Indian Ocean which doesn't have to do with the Arabs linguistically and ethnically , it was accepted because it is a Muslim country , it means ARABISM will march in every direction to include most of the Islamic countries . There is an Assyrian proverb which says, ' Those who ask for more ,they will end up of having nothing .' I hope Mr. Mattar read the recently book by a Lebanese Journalist Hazzem Sagheya ' GOOD BYE ARABISM ' who said in his introduction : " For years never heard the ' Arab Unity ' because who died is dead, and who passed away is passed according to the Jahilya speech so, the slogan became the one all the political parties efforts issued in its name and all the coups were initiated and fearing him the alliances were formed , became forgotten ." The Arabism in almost a century the only unity achieved in the middle of last century between Egypt and Syria to be known ' The United Arab Republic and the Arab Union between Iraq and Jordan , both didn't last but a few years only, and could be said the only UNITY which survived is actually not unity but REUNIFICATION between two yemens which coasted over ten thousand lives. Mr. Mattar claimed to be a Christian, and who defends Islam as a very tolerance religion that gave the Christians liberty in worship and practice their religion. We as Assyrian Christians see Islam as that glass of water which is have empty and the other have is full, yes there were times that Christians were having freedom, but also there were other times they received hardship too. It was stupid for Arabs who instantly became rulers of a large impire which stretches from the Persian Gulf to the Gibraltar Cliffs not to use the local and to be Christians , Jews or others , but when they saw themselves no need for such people because many of them became themselves Muslims then all kind of harassment began and not that only even in early years of conquest the Arab Muslims themselves mentioned how they committed atrocities when they interred Damascus, Homs and Hama cities in Syria. And if Mr. Mattar could explain to us kindly , " al-kufru millatun wahida, ' literally " Unbelief is one nation, " meaning that all of non-Muslim humanity constitutes something like one national unit." and what about ' Dar al-Islam/House of Islam and Dar al-Harb/House of War? And speaking about Arab Christians, YES the real Arab Christians were in Arabia none of them survived period where this new religion issued a decree that Christians will not renovate their churchs and in such a way they erased Christianity period from the Arabian peninsula and today you don't find one Bedouin tent that is a Christian. Mr. Mattar quoted the British professor Burtrand Russel how Islam is a tolerant religion, here I will quote a well known Muslim thinker who is Ibn Khaldun and join with me to see what he said, this is not me and not Dr. Walid Phares but he is an Arab and devoted Muslim:" .. there are ( Christians) the Melchites, the Jacobites, and the Nestorians. We do not think that we should blacken the pages of this book with discussion of their dogmas of unbelief. In general, they are well known. All of them are unbelief, This is CLEARLY STATED IN THE NOBLE QUR'AN. To discuss or argue those things with them is not for us .It is for them to choose between CONVERSION to ISLAM, PAYMENT of the POLL TAX, or DEATH." page 188 English edition by franz Rosenthal. Finally, I regret to say your ARABISM is dead and only needs somebody to have a courage to sighn the death certificate. Ashur Beth-Shlimon __________________________________________ Elol 01, 6755 / September 01, 2005 Password: Messages In This Thread Death Certificate of ' ARABISM' is ready only needs a SIGNATURE! (views: 46) Ashur Beth-Shlimon (adsl-68-72-122-194.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) -- Thursday, 1 September 2005, at 2:41 a.m. Re: Death Certificate of ' ARABISM' is ready only needs a SIGNATURE! 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