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Jizya Jazz
Posted by Farid1 (Guest) - Wednesday, October 11 2006, 3:05:29 (CEST)
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>From Durant:

"He (Omar, emir)made peace with other countries, withdrew the army that that had beseiged Constantinople, and called in the garisons that had guarded Moslem cities hostile to Umayyad rule. Whereas his predecessors had discouraged conversions to Islam on the ground that less poll taxes would come to the state, Omar speeded the acceptance of Islam by Christians, Zoroastrians, and Jews; and when his fiscal agents complained that his policy was ruining the treasury, he replied: "Glad would I be, by Allah, to see everybody become Moslem, so that you and I would have to till the soil with our hands to earn a living." Clever councilors thought to stay the tide of conversions by requiring circumcision; Omar, another Paul, bade them dispense with it."

again...refering to the disappearnce of Christianity under Muslim rule

"Doubtless economic considerations entered:non-Moslems paid a head-tax and converts were, for a time, freed from it. When in 744 the Arab governor of Egypt offered this exemption, 24,000 Christians went over to Islam."


and...

"We may judge the attractiveness of Islam to Christians from a letter of 1311, which gives the Mohammedan population of Granada(Spain) at that time as 200,000, of which ALL BUT (emphasis his) 500 were descendants of Christians converted to Islam. Christians frequently expressed their preference of Moslem to Christian rule."

...and as far as martyrdom goes...refering to a Christian who insulted Muhammad deliberately and went to death and glory gladly...

"His death inflamed the theological hatred of both sides. A group of Christian "Zealots" formed, led by Eulogious (a monk); they were determined to denounce Muhammad publicly, and to accept martyrdom joyfully as a promise of paradise. Issac, a Cordovan monk, went to the qadi and professed a desire for conversion; but when the judge, well pleased, began to expound Mohammedanism, the monk interrupted him: Your Prophet," he said, "has lied and deceived you. May he be accursed, who has dragged so many wretches with him down to hell!" The qadi reproved him, and asked had he been drinking;the monk replied: "I am in my right mind. Condemn me to death." The qadi had him imprisooned, but asked permission of Abd-er-Rahman II to dismiss him as insane; the Calpih, incensed at the splendor of Perfectus`funeral (another "martyr") ordered the monk to be executed. Two days later Sancho, a Frank soldier of the palace guard, publicly denounced Muhammad; he was beheaded. On the following Sunday six monks appeared before the qadi, cursed Mohammad and asked not for death only, but, "your sharpest tortures"; they were beheaded. A priest, a deacon, and a monk followed their example. The Zealots rejoiced, but many Christians, priests as well as laymen, condemned this lust for martyrdom. "The Sultan", they said to the Zealots, "allows us to exercise our religion, and does not oppress us; why then this fanatical zeal?" A council of bishops, summoned by Abd-er-Rahman, reproved the Zealots, and threatened action against them if they continued this agitation. Eulogious denounced the council as cowards.

Meanwhile Flora (child of a mixed marriage who decided to become a Christian and hid in a convent), her ardor raised by the Zealot movement, left her convent,and with another girl, Mary, went before the qadi; they both assured him that Mohammad was an "adulterer", an impostor, and a villain," and that Mohammedanism was, "an invention of the Devil." The qadi committed them to jail. The entreaties of their friends had inclined them to retract when Eulogious prevailed upon them to accept martyrdom. They were beheaded. Eulogious, much encouraged, called for new martyrs. Priests, monks, and women marched to the court, denounced Mohammad, and obtained decapitation (852). Eulogious himself earned martyrdom seven years later. After his death the movement subsided."

The martyr stories we`ve been raised on are made of just such stuff. Of course there are as many swine in Islam as in Christianity. That isn`t the point. There were no doubt "bad" Jews. But it`s the deliberate lies spread by Christians about entire religions and people to justify THEIR crimes that is the point. According to Jassim ALL Muslims want to kill ALL Christians....he has it wrong. MANY Christians wanted to kill ALL Jews and nearly did. ALL Catholics wanted to kill ALL Protestants, at one time..and then the Protestants wanted to return the favor. Peter would like someone to kill ALL Muslims, for him.

...I`d just like someone to beat the crap out of Peter. I am a moderate Pagan.

...The most murderous religion on earth is, by far, the Christian "faith"...natch...it starts out..it is BORN, in murder and human sacrifice followed by the eating of human flesh and drinking of human blood, "just kidding", they say.

..think so?



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