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Re: Another Tiglath Defamation Case?
Posted by Maggie (Guest) - Wednesday, February 22 2006, 10:57:36 (CET)
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Tiglath wrote:
>Maggie wrote:
>>I wouldn't be irritated if you were an equal opportunity revealer!
>>
>>There are always two sides of the story. So why don't you now devote sometime to "reveal" the corruption of the otherside. No one
>is innocent when it comes to being involved up to the neck in corruption and scandal.
>
>### Thank you for confirming that Dadesho is involved in corruption and scandal.

I meant you, Kanna, and Ashur Soro.
>
>>Bull!!! You signed legal papers titling yourself "the ADM representative in Australia". You pretty much gave it away at that
>point!
>
>### Hehehehe......I took on Australia's Melbourne ADM representatives over 3 years ago when they tried to shut down our then youth
>radio station programme.
>You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The ADM representative in Sydney, Australia is Frederick Auraha.
>
>That sounds like a challenge. Now Maggie I guarantee that if you can show me these legal papers then I will publicly apologise and
>ban myself from this forum forever. It's really very simple to silence. Are you up to it? Post these papers for the whole world to
>see. I am waiting.

No need to ban yourself from anything. You have the original papers, I don't. Show us the original letter you sent to prove you didn't sign by that title, because that's what you are being accused of by the public.
>
>>
>>I don't give a damn what Sargon Dadesho and Mar Melis said on AssyriaSat. I don't listen to ANY ONE OF YOU. It is all too sordid
>and wreaks of stale Assyrian garbage! I would have more respect for an individual like you if you had signed the documents as an
>"individual" not as a representative of an organization. Then it would be a whole different ball-game, not two corrupt
>organizations trying to topple each other to secure power for themselves.
>
>### Ahhh.......... but you DO give a damn...or you wouldn't be here supporting Dadesho. Again I ask you what documents have I signed
>as a representative of the ADM??? Show them and I dissapear.

I'm NOT supporting ANYONE. I asked you in my first post, what did Dadesho have to do with the article you originally posted, when it's ADM, Ashur TV, and their other affiliates in Modesto who are supported by the CIA. You didn't answer me.
>
>>
>>The evidence is in the court as we speak. All you have to do is read the transcripts and you will know Ashur Soro is more of a
>thief than any one of you ever figured! But you don't seem to be interested in those facts.
>
>### Maggie, Mar Meelis himself was questioned in court and stated under oath that Mar Bawai had not been involved in any financial
>embezzlement or broken any of his vows.....which is more than can be said for him. When pushed further the only thing mar meelis
>could prove against Mar Bawai was that he had disobeyed the Patriarch. Don't worry we'll be publishing the full court transcripts in
>Zinda's next issue. So check and mate.

Not true at all. According to the court transcripts, Church of the East testimonial, their lawyers and the witnesses in court, Mar Bawai was alleged to have embezzled more than $700,000 by purchasing church properties and putting them in his name, then refinancing them to draw out the equity and the question in court is where DID that money go? That's why they are going to trial. It was also revealed that some of that money had gone to Kanna.
>
>>### So are you now confirming that Dadeesho is a thief?

No, I am confirming Mar Bawai and Kanna are the thieves, and YOU were used to create this scandal and bring the church of the East down. I am also confirming that you were part of the Froggy scheme, because you eagerly invested but lost, which is why you were eager to bring them down. Are you ever going to take responsibility for your part in the Suleiman scheme? Or are you going to be just like every other Assyrian making yourself the victim? Answer this please.
>>
>>I was referring to your affiliates that are stealing church properties as we speak, for their own selfish gains. It is Ashur Soro
>who has designs on the patriarchate, not the other way around! So in my eyes he is just a guilty as Carl Suleiman. Except that he's
>supposed to be a "Christian shepherd" which makes it all the more disgusting than any pyramid scheme!
>
>### Actually the diocese may have been assigned to Mar Bawai but the churches and their properties belong to the parishioners which
>is precisely who the judge ruled in favour of.

If the churches and properties belong to the parishioners, then
1-What about the parishioners that hate Ashur Soro because he has Zowaa skin-heads who will not let them in the church?
2-Why did Ashur Soro steal their hard-earned money and put the properties in his name?

"The parishioners meanwhile have all gone against the obviously political decision
>taken by Mar Meelis and Dadesho to remove Mar Bawai and have voted for their bishop to remain and administer the properties in their
>name NOT Mar Meelis's name. And this is what brings you here.
>You're obviously upset that popular public support has now forced the court case into a stalemate and that Dadesho's BNO have lost
>and the wounded Mar Meelis is now limping back to Sydney with his tail between his legs."

I could care less what happens. If they want to decimate each other, I'll cheer them on! But the fact is the case is going to trial, which makes your conclusion baseless.
>
>>
>>Why are you defending one and defaming the other? Is one any better than the other?
>
>### Mar Meelis defamed himself when he took money from Karl Suleman and 5% of his company. The last time I checked Mar Meeliss lives
>in Australia with us and I will continue to expose him and anyone else that hurts our people and thinks they are immune from
>scrutiny."

Is that only because you lost money in this scheme?

" As for Mar Bawai he lives in your neck of the woods, why don't YOU expose him since you seem to have so much "evidence" at
>hand......or would you like me to chew the food for you before you swallow?"

NOT INTERESTED! They are exposing themselves, which is the Alaha Ashur way.
>
>>### I wish my posts could be as "personally unmotivated" as yours.
>>
>>I have no personal motivation in this whole thing. Sargon Dadesho doesn't read this forum, so I am speaking as an individual and
>would like you to tell us why you are NOT going after the others? They are all corrupt, so what makes one better than the other?
>That was my entire point.
>
>### Thank you for yet again confirming that Dadesho is corrupt. :-)

I never mentioned Dadesho. I meant ADM/Soro team. I have NEVER seen corruption in Dadesho. The day I do, I'm gone!
>
>>###I lost because I wasn't served. Period. Those with ACOE member money to spend on lawsuits and hire hackers to break into
>personal e-mail accounts to steal private e-mails can afford to use the legal system to drag people through the courts.

I find that hard to believe, since you were the one who innitiated the law-suit to begin with! You are the plaintive and would have most certainly been served.

>>
>>You should have known that going in! You can't be surprised that the church has more money than god. Besides which, you were part
>of that church, but didn't mind any of it, till you lost money!
>>>
>>>By trying to defame someone just for the hell of it, is hurtful, and not conducive to the overall betterment of the Assyrians. If
>we are going to have a chance at success, we must let go of all the old and silly ways Assyrians have been operating with, to break
>each other down. None of us benefit from such nonsense. We all lose!
>
>### This is the same message people keep telling me. Get over it they say....It's history.....Whay go on about it for? Well I have
>news for all of them. The more you try to silence me the more you will all be exposed.

It's your party, and you can spend as much as you want. My point was that you are selective in who you expose or hate. The rest is none of my business. But I would support you in your personal endeavors for fighting for our people, IF you were not involved in these schemes, to begin with. You stood to profit by being a participant.

>
>>### In a Zinda Magazine report on Sargon Dadesho (http://www.zindamagazine.com/html/archives/2005/5.21.05/index_sat.php#zindasays)
>the source of revenue for the Bet-Nahrain, Inc which fuels Dadesho??s political machine is said to be the members??donations,
>memberships, and the bingo games. According to the IRS report in 2003 Bet-Nahrain, Inc.??s revenues totaled a little over $325,000
>and the total expenses totaled over $407,000. Yet the cost of running the Assyrian Satellite program and all other media outlets
>connected with Sargon Dadesho alone are well-over $50,000 a month, according to sources close to this organization.
>>
>>It is laughable that you would actually believe anything Zibla Magazine would print. Since when are their sources reliable, when
>they have a bunch of hoodlum writers and third-grade investigators?
>
>### Do you always walk into things with your chin up? That article was from an editorial titled, '6754 Person of the Year - Sargon
>Dadesho.' Are you actually saying that the article is a joke for refering to Dadesho as "Assyrian of the year."

Why should I care about such an article? I am not biased. Maybe you think I am, but I'm not. As a social scientist, I can tell you Zibla magazine's poll is inaccurate because each question they ask has more than one variable. The margin of error is so enormous, it couldn't possibly be taken seriously. So you see, I DO always walk in with my chin-up!
>
>### You're right there must be another reason why there are two separate programs are cited for their anti-Iranian propaganda in
>which the presenters speak in Azari Turkish and Arabic inviting their viewers in the Middle East to battle the Iranian government in
>seceding the Azarbaijan and Khuzistan provinces for the Turkish and Arab people, respectively. :-)

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW that's what they are saying, Tiglath. Do YOU speak Azari? Or are you just listening to more stupid people who have nothing better to do? And please tell us who is citing these programs as anti-Iranian propaganda? The same losers that hate Sargon Dadesho and will say anything to put him down? Is that your methodology of investigative reporting?
>
>>
>>That is absolute nonsense. If you can say that, you don't know Sargon Dadesho. Who is this "secret" sponsor you are alluding to?
>Facts, please, because you are losing your credibility with all thes "manufactured" lies!
>
>### Please enlighten us about Sargon Daesho since you seem to know so much.

As soon as you present your facts about the "secret" sponsorship your are alluding to.
>
>>### Have you lost it completely? When did I ever defame you or ever call you a puppet? Please show me the post and I will
>personally apologise!
>>
>>The only comment I have ever made was after you kept putting down the work that has been done by the AAS in Iraq. Work that I have
>seen with my own eyes. Work which continues to put food on the tables of Assyrian families, provided Assyrian children with an
>education. Given sick Assyrians medicine. I merely stated that the reason why you may be so against the AAS is because Dadeesho
>needs to say black whenever Kanna says white and being hosted by AssyriaSat may mean that you are slightly biased.
>>This statement has since been substantiated by your vitriolic remarks.
>>
>>You called me a CIA agent, and never apologized. Furthermore, I never put down the legitimate work of ANY organization, only the
>ones that manufacture MARTYRS for the sake of elevating their name and status, which is a murderous operation and YOU should speak
>out aginst it, not condone it. I personally don't want an Assyrian organization that contributes to the death of our youngsters to
>get more votes and a seat in the Iraqi parliament. We don't want a "Christian seat" period!
>>
>
>### Stop manufacturing lies. Show me where I ever called you a CIA agent and I will self-ban myself forever.

There you go again with the self-banning. I would never want you to ban yourself from the only decent forum. You said, "AssyriSat is sponsored by the CIA, and since Maggie presents a show on that channel, she must have a vested interest in bringing down the AAS." What exactly does that mean, if not that I must be part of the CIA? You always go around making stupid accusations and not backing them up? I'm still waiting for you to prove your allegations.
>
>P.S. Asking three questions instead of answering my legitimate straight forward questions is not actually answering my questions.
>:-)

I have answered EVERY single question of yours. I'm not afraid of you Tiglath, if that's what you mean. I have nothing personally against you either, and if Farid likes you, there must be something to you. My only objection to your tactics is that you demonize and accuse people without a shred of evidence, and no proof!



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