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Re: Assyrians & Alcoholism Part II
Posted by beezelbub (Guest) - Friday, October 28 2005, 1:57:03 (CEST)
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... I'm sorry, but this sounds like "Islam"..total submission to the will of god. I also take exception to the notion that people were born flawed and to blame...sounds like Original Sin all over again. I mean we no doubt have many shortcomings, but that isn't a "flaw"..it's just human nature that needs to be guided and taught. Others fail US far more than we fail ourselves.

This almost sounds like a born-again movement with the proviso that it's Demon Rum who is the Devil out to get the earth...and sobriety, or rather some measure of self-control, plus an understanding of who one is and how he or she got that way, with all the inevitable detours along the way, is the Salvation which Faith can bring.

If it works, go for it.

I've never accepted that alcoholism is a "disease". During the Great Depression alcoholism was rife....as it was in the early days of the Industrial Revolution...but that wasn't due to the "disease" suddenly spreading because more "booze-carrying" virusus came from outer space...or more flawed human beans were born..it had more to do with social conditions and the escapism men needed as an only way to cope with their profound powerlessness.

You could almost say that any sign of mal-adjustment was the fault of some bug...that "Liberalism" was caused by a virus...or disliking authority figures or those who weild arbitrary power is a result of congential defects...how come these "bugs" produce reactions that can as easily be put down to social conditions? How come these bugs don't make your hair green...or make you dislike pine trees? How come they make you hate YOUR BOSS...or your teacher..or going to work???

This is too much of blaming your genetic structure, or inherent flaws close to Original Sin rather than social conditions which result in personal and societal turmoil...wouldn't every priest and president and teacher LOVE to convince us all that our rebellions and more severe acting-out responses are nothing more than diseases...for which they have either a physical drug or a spiritual one?

It is far more likely that, rather than your father passing down to you a genetic marker which made you "pre-dispossed" to being alcoholic...he instead showed you examples of a man you loved and looked up to coping badly with HIS life...and thus showed you the way to avoid your pains-to-come by showing you how an adult "deals" with such things? He didn't teach you how to overcome your sorrows, many of which he also gave you...he couldn't...instead he taught you how to drown your own sorrows.

You would think that a kid who was forced to eat peas he hated...would not grow up to force his kids to eat the same hated peas...but Life don't go that way. You'd also think that a woman who grew up being abused by her father would not choose a husband who would abuse her...or would not allow her husband to abuse HER kids...not so...you'd also think that a young man who agonized and suffered over the clear example he had before him all his life of what booze did to his father would not slowly go down that same path...also not so.

It isn't a gene your father passed on to you...and I , for one, reject the argument that flaws were born in you which pre-determined your disposition to go down that road no matter what...it may be that the same pre-disposition to go that route BARRING any mediation which we all hope and know our parents and teachers are SUPPOSED to provide for us, may be within many if not all of us..in other words: abuse and neglect us all and 90% of us will surely go off the deep end...but that is not the same as placing the blame entirely on the way you were born...with that demon already in you and working to destroy you.

Why is there no AA for the SOCIETY??? Why does the individual have to bear all the blame??? As he does when god tells us that HE created us...didn't like the way we turned out and wants to DROWN us!!! Is THAT responsible or humane?

And, finally...I am troubled by how much god plays a part in this recovery...when the bastard could have easily avoided it for all of us...what kind of bastard god allows these things to happen..and then waits for you to THANK him...IF you survive?

Sounds like this sort of god is exactly where the problem originates..with a god-the-FATHER, who is negligent, careless, unthinking, uncaring..more absorbed with his own frustrated and awful ability to "create"...who then passes his fuck-ups down to his kids...and DEMANDS they overlook all that and THANK HIM anyway!

God BRINGS the disease...and then wants you to thank HIM for struggling to oversome it???...thanks...but no thanks.

...sure am glad though that you feel better. I hpe this doesn't take the piss and vinegar out of you.



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