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Re: Behind the grassy knoll
Posted by beezelbub (Guest) - Tuesday, October 25 2005, 15:30:41 (CEST)
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>****So this is what this is about, TIT for TAT? It's really childish!

...oh I give up!
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>I knew it was NO coincidence!

...right, whatever
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>Really Tiglath, YOU MUST LEARN TO ANSWER FOR YOURSELF EVENTUALLY, INSTEAD OF HIDING DOWN UNDER!

...okay....
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>>>>...do you actually believe that agents were sent to Ceres to kill Dadeeshoo? Or can no one ask that question? Can you respond to any one of us in any way you want...while the rest of us must show "respect" for you by NOT doing the same?
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>>>YOU and Tiglath have the right to ask me about something you "suspect" I have done and want to clear it up, but no one has the right to make-up stories about ME and accuse me of things I have never done, nor have any knowledge of.
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>>...you didn't answer my question..it was a simple question...you asked for my beliefs...I'm asking about yours...you certainly suspected Narsai was either wrong or covering up...how else do you explain your insistance that narsai doesn't know the truth about AIDS and ZOWAA?
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>****I never said Narsai was covering up anything, didn't even know who Narsai was, nor was I trying to make AIDS look bad, by saying they were a fundraising organization for Zowaa. I never alleged they were bad or indifferent, I was simply speaking from my past experiences, long before I ever heard of Narsai, or any of you and Dadesho, and merely said what my impression was. After our little battle, you changed my perceptions only because I am accessible. How will you change other's pereptions? You can't!

...no, of course not....I'll just suck on my lolli all day.
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>And to answer your question about Dadesho, the answer is I don't know. So what are you going to do now? KILL me?


...watch out for agents....
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>>>>..are you, GASP...beyond reproach...beyond even question?
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>>>Of course not, people have a right to say something about ME, and expect an answer. But he didn't do that, did he?
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>>...he made a CLAIM...certainly you make bunches of them too...why so thin-skinned over it? You don't have to prove you DON'T have a vested interest...how could you do that anyway? You can't prove a negative...
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>***What claims did I make? That AIDS is a fundraising branch of Zowaa? That should send you to the moon with anger? Last I checked, perceptions were not a crime. But what is a crime is to make false allegations like AssyriaSat is funded by the CIA, and not back them up.

...okay...how's the weather up there?
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>tiglath can claim anything he wants to, but he has yet to prove his cases in court, so that doesn't say much about anything!
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>>>And don't you find it awfully "suspect" or coincidental that Tiglath would post his conspiracy theory now? I wonder who put him up to that?
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>>...what conspiracy? He seems to imply that your attitude towards AIDS...insisting that their own president doesn't know the truth..as YOU do...seemed to indicate you had more than a disinterested point of view..and you DID seem awfully insistant...if you can find Tiglath's timing "suspicious" and perhaps masking an ulterior motive..why the hell can't HE do the same thing?
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>***Because what I said about AIDS was a by-product of a conversation with you, not a post that appeared out of nowhere, like this one did, which proves it was a set-up by you and Tiglath, that's why it's a conspiracy, and a cheap one!!!

...Shushan should be on your front lawn any day now...
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>My conversation about AIDS with you was in the context of what you posted about the banquet. Therefore, my conversation was spontaneous, not contrived like his post, egged on by you, to coincide with our battle over AIDS, just to prove a point, and take a cheap shot at me. Never expected it from you or Tiglath, but then again stranger things have happened, haven't they? Is this what this forum all about? You get to pounce on people because you are trying to prove a point!! Well, it don't work that way. The only thing that works is educating people in a soft, modest, calm, and sincere manner. Not taking revenge.

...yes...we're all paid agents here...
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>If all it took was for me to say AIDS was a branch of Zowaa, (which is nothing compared to CIA conspiracies contrived by Tiglath) for you to do this to me, imagine what you would have done if I had accused them of something, like being funded by the CIA!!!

...one can only shudder with horror at the thought...
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>I now realize the depth of your FURY and how far you will go!

...right, yes, of course....
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>> It's awfully opportune, don't you think? YOu see, I don't believe in "coincidences". EVERYTHING happens for a reason!
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>>...calm...try to maintain some calm.
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>I am calm Farid! Now you calm down, and let go of your anger and fury. It's finished! What do you want a trophy?

...no...a good prison sentence ought to be enough.
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>>>>>That's why I never worry about people like you!
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>>>>...what do you mean you don't "worry". Do you really WORRY about him...worry that he isn't sleeping enough..or getting enough to eat? Or do you mean you don't bother yourself over what he says...that any comments coming from a man, "like that", can be safely ignored...meaning thereby that he isn't important enough or qualified or knowledgeable enough to make such statements.
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>>>Of course I would worry if someone was talking about hunger, sleep deprivation, etc., but I don't worry about people making things up about me, Farid. Especially when they know NOTHING about me. You knew perfectly well that's what I was talking about, and not hunger.
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>>...of course not...well, if you DON'T worry...why all the fuss? He didn't say he KNEW...and he didn't suggest WHAT your interest could be...but I too found your insistance sort of puzzling...like ehy WOULDN'T you be willing to take narsai's word for it when he says AIDS has nothing to dop with ZOWAA in any formal or structured way?
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>***I took your word for it in the end, and thought it was over, but nothing is over for you, is it? Come on Farid, take your best shot and let's see how far your REVENGE can take you!

...sigh...
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>>>If Tiglath has a beef with Dadesho he should take it up with him, not me. That's how things are ususally done.
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>>...what beef? He was reacting to your insistance that you KNOW sometrhing you really don't...seems we all do that.
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>***OK, BUT what does this have to do with Dadesho and CIA conspiracies?

...nothing....
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>>>>...is it NOT highly suspect that any agents came from Iraq to kill Dadeeshoo? Do YOU believe it? Remember, this is the same Tiglath who outed Ken Joseph...something you praised him for doing.
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>>>I have absolutely no knowledge of what went on before I came to this area. I never go up to people and say, this is what so and so is saying about you, what gives. I am not a nosy Assyrian.
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>>...NOSY? How about NOT brain dead? It isn't a matter for suriosity that Saddam would send killers to Ceres to kill a guy who runs a bingo game? That story never struck you in any way as odd...left you completely unmoved?
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>****Unlike some busy-bodies, I don't have a clue what you are talking about. I don't have a circle of gossip-mongers from here to Australia sitting around trying to play detective and uncovering plots. You want more, sorry, all I know is what I am hearing from you and Tiglath. Now, if Tiglath has the guts to back up his claims and take it to court, and prove it, then we have something!. How about it Tiglath? Let's make this official, starting now, so we don't base this whole scenario on heresay.

...how hard is it to sue Iraq? Who showed up at the trial representing Iraq? What if we sue Leprechauns?
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>>>There are many stories floating out there by many different people, and It's hard to know what is fact, and what is fiction. But since Tiglath is in the business of uncovering plots, why doesn't he directly deal with Dadesho? Why mention my name at all?

...I dunno...
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>>...because you were the one so sure Narsai doesn't know the truth about AIDS...can you really not see that?
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>***YOU didn't answer my question. Why isn't Tiglath talking to Dadesho about the charges, instead of me? If I was the one talking about AIDS, what does Dadesho have to do with it?

...nothing.
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>>>Tiglath's conspiracy theories about the CIA don't jive. Because ALL Assyrian opposition groups, including ADM were working with the CIA to topple Saddam. Right Tiglath? That's why they were asked to convene in London and choose one person to represent Assyria, and they chose Yonadam Kanna. The G8 were made of ALL Assyrian political parties. Should I go around and accuse Kanna, Nimrod Bato, Eshaya Eshoo and all the rest of them as being funded by the CIA? That's just plain old dirty games, and I want nothing to do with it.
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>>...well the CIA DOES do these things...not anting to deal with it doesn't mean it goes away.
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>***So deal with it! Go for it! Go all the way, by all means, but don't use Tiglath to pounce on me, 'cause I don't know anything about it.

...I'll put him back in his cage.
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>>>I wasn't aware of Tiglath doing something against Ken Joseph. I only read the article that Jeff posted from Zinda which was about Tiglath trying to stop the church in Australia from involving innocent church members in investment schemes, and I did cheer him, because I believe in that cause.
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>>...I distinctly remember you admonishing me when you first came on and didn't know how pretty I am, for calling Ken by his real and full name of "Kenfuck". I was writing about Tiglath's posts about the scumbag.
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>***I have no clue what you are talking about. Show it to me. You have archives, don't you? Prove it! Secondly, Tiglath and his law suit have nothing to do with Ken Joseph, if I remember correctly, right Tiglath? They have to do with Carl Suleiman, Mar Narsai, and the Church of he East. I believe you are confusing too different things. So it seems you aren't perfect either, but mistaken. But it also seems when you make mistakes NO ONE DARES to say anything to you, do they?

...no, like you they are all scared silly.
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>>>Tiglath should know for many, many years, I was an ADM supporter, and some of the most prominent ADM members are still my closest friends. They trust me enough to remain friends with me, because I have nothing against any Assyrian organization. They know I have no axes to grind with ADM/Zowaa, because I tell them straight to their face what I think, when they ask me something. They know exactly where I stand. They know MY ONLY BEEF with Zowaa is that if they are going to be in a leadership position, they have to open the Assyrian political arena where Assyrian political organizations work together, instead of destroying each other. And guess what? They agree too, and they criticize Zowaa in the same manner. Do they have a vested interest in destroying Zowaa? Of course not! We have to have dialogue, we have to have criticism when it comes to political work. We shouldn't be childish and think someone has a vested interest in destroying their own brothers and sisters. All ADM people know I have absolutely nothing against them, which is why we have been able to maintain our friendships, where others have failed.
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>>...that is admirable.
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>***Thank you!
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>>>Trying to accuse each other of this and that is not going to help anyone. And if you think I have a vested interest in destroying the ADM, you are way off the mark, and all because I may have criticized them a couple of times? That's like saying Farid has something against Zowaa, when he has made fun of them on this forum.
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>>...I don't like their thugs.
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>****So you DO have something against Zowaa! Why then is David Chibo not accusing you of having a vested interest in destroying ADM?

...I have something against thugs...I don't care where they are...
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>>>Let's stop these destructive games. We only damage ourselves even more.
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>>>>...I am confused....
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>>>No you're not, you are never confused. I'm not going to engage in this. So you and Tiglath can write about me all you want.
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>>>The day Tiglath finds something that I have done that's so horrible that needs to be discussed in public and make a spectacle out of me, is the day we will go to court, like Tiglath did, and not do it on a forum.

...okay...right....
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>>...spectacle? We can't TALK about you? Please tell us...what CAN we talk about? It seems to me you react rather strongly for such a simple incident.
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>***Perhaps you can start with something that benefits people?
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>>>Until then NO ONE has the right to discuss ME the individual, publicly.
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>>...brother...are YOU in the wrong ethnic group!
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>****So are you Farid, so are you!!! YOu are Assyrian, after all.

...nope.
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>This whole thing was done Assyrian style. No forgiveness, no trust, no second chances, no resolutions, nothing! Just raking people over the coals like the shish kabobs they are used to cooking!
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>COUNT ME OUT!!!

...I can see that...thank god you weren't IN.



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