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Re: Do you still want me to mince words?
Posted by beezelbub (Guest) - Tuesday, September 27 2005, 19:33:53 (CEST)
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Maggie wrote:
>"..yeah...someone who lies, whether to young boys or the rest of us is not to be trusted..period. Why is one lie of no importance but the other gets you so upset...why?"
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>How does Sargon Dadesho not having a PHD dangerous to Assyrians? Will an Assyrian die if Sargon Dadesho doesn't have a PHD? NO! so why I should I spend my money and time investigating something that is of no use to anyone but himself? That just doesn't make any sense to me!

...now who`s having several cows...and mules too? Calm down. Who suggested YOU should spend any money or time? The Modesto Bee did it...no need for you to. In this country people care whether you lie about your educational attainments or anything else on your resume...just because we are used to liars doesn`t mean we`re right.

...if it were only of interest to himself, Dadeeshooo would NOT have made up the degree...obviously it matters to OTHERS. If we don`t start expecting more from our leaders, yes, they well may lead us over a cliff...and people die that way.

>Additionally, Sargon Dadesho has not proclaimed himself the Assyrian leader, nor does he have any ambitions to do so! That's the difference, Beezlebub.

...come on...you`re being disingenuous now. He hasn`t declared himself a leader through any sort of election...but we all know he fancies himself as some kind of center of something or other.

Zowaa leadership has proclaimed itself the leaders of Assyria and have put the Assyrian people in Iraq in dangerous situations, for no other reason than to glorify themselves and their party! They are using our people for their gain, namely a seat in the Iraqi Parliament.

...I`m not so sure the one seat is their entire aim. It`s hard to figure WHAT these jackasses are really up to..or if they even know.
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>You once said the PHD issue was raised a while back, and it was long before I came to Assyriasat, so I had nothing to do with it then and nothing to do with it now. You are making it an issue with me, WHY?

...it`s an issue for all of us...if we see someone posing as a doctor in the larger community it seems we should be the first to expose him..but, like I said, he`s been exposed already...everyone knows the truth about his bogus PhD...he can threaten to sue all he wants to...the Bee did i`ts job and I did mine...when you are slamming liars..let`s get them ALL. I realize you have an interest in this now, since you came on board...I wasn`t asking or expecting you to do anything...just rattling your cage. It`s slow around here....KAY?

What does it in fact have to do with me and my affiliation with AssyriaSat? SPELL IT OUT! Why even bring up Sargon Dadesho in this conversation to begin with? What does it have to do with the martyr issue we were discussing in this post, unless you are trying to to tell me something!!!!

...now DON`T go Shushan on me...if I want to tell you something I`ll TELL you something...I won`t go get a country instead...I just wanted to remind you that liars abound...and there`s a good reason people are wary of them...especially those who claim educational distinction they OBVIOUSLY don`t have. People are clearly impressed by his bogus title of "Dr"...or he never would have pretended to it. That`s even a crime under some circumstances..but let`s just say it`s business as usual for this community.

...Did you know I have a doctorate in Conchology?
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>If you are saying that he is a lier because the Modesto Bee proved he has no PHD, you are wrong! They proved NOTHING! Someone told me that when the issue was raised years ago, Sargon announced an address for all those interested to send two dollars and he would send them a copy of his transcripts.

...bullshit. Someone may have said a whole lot of things...the Modesto Bee did it`s job...as they do when unmasking other frauds. They went to all the places he mentioned he received his degree from and found nothing..no record no nuthin. They are not stupid...the easiest way for them to get sued is by printing such a story without evidence...if Dadeesho DOESN`T have a PhD the Bee will NOT find any record in any University that says..."Sargon Dadeesho DOES NOT have a PhD from us"! They don`t know him from Adam`s off ox...you really expect a university to keep in their files the names of all those who COULD get a PhD from them but never bothered to register for classes? Seriously?

..what they found was all they needed to find for their purposes...which are airtight and clear of any damage claims by Sargon..they found NO RECORD..that means there is none...because there is no reason for there to be one. If they had screwed up and if there existed these "two dollar transcripts" you REALLY think the Bee, or their attorneys would not have insisted they pay the fucking two bucks to be sure?

...Sargon sealed his own fate when, in response to the article, he threatened to SUE them! That`s all the proof the Bee, their attorneys and anyone without a PhD, at $2.00...would need to know that the guy was indeed lying...what better way to box them in and force them to retract than to show THEM his transcripts...at that point?

You see...liars are inherently stupid as well unworthy of trust.
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>Eden Naby never attended Harvard, nor did she EVER get a PHD from anywhere, but NO ONE, NOT even you questions her about it! WHY? In fact, you glorify her and have said that she's the best we got! WHY? Her lies don't count to you, because you don't have a grudge against her, only Dadesho?

...No one ever said she got her doctorate from Harvard...she worksd there on a lecture series her parents funded...something to do with religion, I think. Her husband works at Harvard...and she does indeed have a doctorate...or else I`m badly mistaken in her.
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>Finally, if you are saying that Sargon Dadesho is a lier because he says he has a PHD and he actually doesn't, he is not to be trusted, right? Not to be trusted with what?

...with anything else he says. Clearly Saddam NEVER sent anyone to assassinate that twerp...the State Department needed someone venal and low enough to lend his backsides to them for "national emergency services" and so he got a pay-out for "services rendered" from Iraq`s stolen funds and the Feds got what they needed. Obviously they knew their man.


Is he a leader of Assyria? Does he have a seat in the Iraqi Parliament? Does he wish to run for elections? Does he wish to live in Iraq and represent Assyrians? The answer is NO. So why should Assyrian busy-bodies worry about not trusting him because of the PHD issue?

...you`re flap "A" is in danger from slipping from your slot "B". It clearly mattered to Sargon to lie...to puff himself...it clearly was important for SOME reason...whether he wants to do all the things you claim for him is beside the point..he definitely has his own plans and they have to do, like everyone else`s, with glorifying himself...I don`t mind that so much...the empire he has built is worthy of him and that town...but let him stick to his own accomplishments and not sully those of the people who bother to EARN their distinctions...he has earned his own...but he has NOT earned a doctorate.
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>" Because people get killed for one and not the other? If you want to wait till every liar causes the death of someone then you`ll have a lot of deaths on your hands before you bother to wonder if character counts anywhere, even in Assria."
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>Character counts everywhere, but ALL MEN LIE! so what's new? I don't trust ANY man.

...yes but we need to be able to trust something as simple to verify as a PhD...Sargon would provide proof in a MINUTE if he had it..in fact, it would be plastered all over his office...his house...the neighbor`s houses and be the backdrop of his TV program...so, where is it? How come people far more humble place their degrees on their office walls...is Sargon uncharacteristically SHY all of a sudden?
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>But if it's bothering you that he may be lying and must not have a PHD, because Fred Aprim said so in Zinda, why don't you send him $2.00 and find out for sure?

..for the same reason I don`t bother with passwords and registering...the truth has been discovered..it isn`t my job to prove a liar is a liar..it is HIS job to prove he has a PhD...or else why make the claim? When you enter the office of someone who claims to have one...whose work depends on his claims and achievements, you expect to SEE the certificate. If he`s so fucking shy now then why mention it at ALL in the first place? No one went digging into it until it became clear that the scoundrel has no PhD and is indeed incapable of having one...that set people to wondering...and yes he DOES present himself as a focal point and leader of sorts in the local community if nowhere else and it was a local newspaper that decided to check..because they don`t like posseurs either...reflects poorly on the rest of us.
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>"..Your comment about the Assyrian Aid Society never showing where the money has gone to betrays, I think, your bias...towards Dadeesho, who is also no great fan of the AIDS Society."
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>I could care less how Sargon Dadesho feels about Assyrian Aid Society, or what he thinks of them. I have NEVER askd him what he thinks of so and so, because I do have a mind of my own, or perhaps you don't think so, and that's why you are making such a statement!

...calmate!
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>I'm speaking from experience. I was one of the biggest supporters of Zowaa and used to fund-raise for them in L.A.

...silly you.

..it is Sargon`s belief that ZOWAA and AIDS Society are one and the same...I told you...AIDS is separate and aprt from ZOWAA. I have no doubt ZOWAA is made up of thugs and rats...every one of them I ever saw looked like he was out on parole, just.

When you ask them to show you financial reports, especially when you have worked hard and want to see where the money goes, they make a thousand and one excuses, and all these years later, we still have no reports.

...you`re talking about ZOWAA...evidently you didn`t read carefully...it`s a good thing I don`t write..."or else why are you PRETENDING not to have understood"...or other such Byzantine circumlocutions.
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>"...I happen to know Narsai who is president of that benighted organization and as much as I disagree with their mission I know Narsai is way too astute a businesman to EVER involve himself and his good name, which he lives by, in ANY shading dealings. He has done all a human bean can to make their books open and available..their newsletter includes in every issue a full account of money received and disbursed. Narsai would NEVER involve himself with any political entity, especially one as ditzy as ZOWAA. The AIDS Society is concerned with humanitarian relief..which translates into doing anything they can to make sure the poor Christian bastards in Iraq DON`T run out...like THEY all did...dedicated to keeping a "presence" in Assyria..ecven if it`s in the cemetary."
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>I have no doubt that Narsai is what you say he is, and even believe that he opens his books so that he accounts for every penny. What I'm talking about is what Zowaa does with the money!

...the statement of your`s that I responded to with all this Narsai business was the one in which you linked the two, ZOWAA and AIDS Society, and said that NEITHER of them will tell anyone where the money goes...I have no truck with ZOWAA and lament the fact that most people think as you do, that Narsai has somehow gone nuts and associated himself with ZOWAA. But the AIDS Society has ALWAYS been open about what they do...and will be as long as Narsai is involved with them...he and I have many disputes and yelling matches and he knows how I feel about the overall aim of his AIDS Society..but that has nothing to do with his integrity as an administrator and reponsible party in the AIDS SOCIETY. What you claimed amounted to one of those careless slanders and or smears that Sargon is famous for...but since you DON`T have a bogus PhD...I`m sure you recognize your error...I certainly will not impute it to some nefarious PLOT you hathced somewhere...just an honest mistake...so, to be clear..it is ZOWAA that does not open its books...NOT the AIDS SOCIETY...are we agreed on that much?


NAME ME ONE INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP THAT HAS RECEIVED A FINANCIAL REPORT FROM ZOWAA FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, showing where the money they raise through Assyrian Aid Society has gone, or for that matter, where any of the money raised by other means, HAS GONE!

...ZOWAA can drop dead yesterday for all I care.
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>The Assyrian Aid Society in Arizona is one of the most corrupt organizations. They put on fundraisers, and hire people for the events but they cheat them out of their pay. They did that to Kenny Odisho, whom they hired from Sweden after I introduced him to the world on AssyriaSat. He flew out from Sweden, put on a great fashion show, they raised tons of money, and he was cheated out of his pay!

...this is something that can easily be refered to Narsai...he is president of AIDS Society for the United States and if ANYONE is cheating people under his leadership, he`s going to want to know. Was anything, besides pissing and moaning, done about this?

>So don't Assyrian Aid Society are such angels!

..no one is speaking of angels...but I still see a bias in your comments. If this fellow was indeed cheated...why didn`t he go himself to ther top leadership? I`ll certainly put it to Narsai when I see him next month...give me the particulars and I promise you I`ll get whatever answers there are to be had.

...I can`t help but contrast my interest in involving myself to your comment that it makes NO DIFFERNCE to you whether Sargon is lying or not...fortunately, ahem, some of us care where there is an in justice.

...My argument with you was not about angels..it was your comment that the AIDS Society never tells people where the money goes...that simply isn`t true and it is also damaging to their reputation...I think they are on a fool`s errand but I still wouldn`t attack then on things that are not proven, are hearsay or just plain false. Seems to me, especially as you had some direct interest in this, you would have helped this fellow go to the top and get some answers. Narsai can`t control the caliber of the people they attract in Arizona..but he CAN demand an accounting from them. Like I`m demanding from Dadeesho.



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