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Re: From Farid: "The Forced Conversions Rag"
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, November 1 2006, 17:50:14 (CET)
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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:
>Brother Pancho wrote:
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>" ... IF there were ANY, beleive me you have posted ONE ."
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>Yes, indeed , this is the first time you said something which is TRUE about me and here the ONE :
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>" Homs was taken in 636 by the Muslims, who renamed it Homs, and the city's large Christian element was eliminated during the rebellion of 855. Hims later (1516) passed into Ottoman hands, where it remained, except for a brief period of Egyptian control in the 1830s, until the creation of Syria after World War I."

Brother Pancho wrote:

" ... IF there were ANY, beleive me you have posted ONE ."


Yes, indeed , this is the first time you said something which is TRUE
about me and here the ONE :

" Homs was taken in 636 by the Muslims, who renamed it Homs, and the
city's large Christian element was eliminated during the rebellion of
855. Hims later (1516) passed into Ottoman hands, where it remained,
except for a brief period of Egyptian control in the 1830s, until the
creation of Syria after World War I."

..what the hell does that have to do with anything contained in my
original post...which, as you didn`t bother to read, have no idea WHAT was
discussed?

Let me digress a bit...your atitude is EXACTLY what I meant by secular
fanaticism...you responded to the post as if it was "evil" and would
pollute you if it came too near. You are tied in knots about what has
been DONE to Christians by way of war, killings, displacements etc. None
of which were the subject of the original post...the one we are
discussing which you NEVER read to begin with...but you see, it doesn`t
matter, not to you. Such a silly fact isn`t important to you..because you
have FAITH...faith in your position as one who resents Christians being
discommoded or killed...well who WANTS anyone killed?

Muslims too have suffered at Christian hands..they too have been
eleminated from parts of the earth..their countries too and cities have been
taken from them...what has this to do with the post you didn`t read?

My entire point, which was contained in the title, was that there were
NO FORCED CONVERSIONS...your mentioning the elimination of the
Christians from Homs has nothing to do with that topic...not unless you can
show they were FORCIBLY CONVERTED and therefore "eliminated" in that
way...all you told us is that they were killed...but everyone has been
killed...why is it so strange to you that brother kills brother? The Irish
and Spaniards have been doing it for centuries, right up to the
present..they are brothers..of the same nation and ethnic descent yet for the
sake of religion or politics they kill each other...so? America had a
Civil War in which family killed family...more Americans died in that
war than in ALL the wars America has fought since...so? Do Americans
hate Americans forever for that war? How many wars have been fought
between brothers? How many Christians have been persecuted and burned and
beaten to death by Christians...so? Why is it so goddamned weird to you
that a Muslim Iraqi would kill a Christian Iraqi...why? Can you really
be THAT naive?

During a war people get KILLED! Is this surprising to you? If you
rebel you get killed...it happened in America and every other country in
the world...how many Christian cities of Europe had their Christian
populations killed by Christians? Have you heard of Dresden...or any
number of other cities whose populations were wiped out?

Again, this was not the point of the post...I claimed that the numbers
of Christians in the MidEast declined NOT because of forced conversions
to Islam...of COURSE Christians were killed...but so were Muslims...the
killing alone doesn`t answer the question of why there are so few left
there...like I said, you choose isolated incidents and blow them out of
proportion. Were 600,000 children ALONE of Homs killed? That happened
in Iraq and yet the Iraqis will replace those numbers with more...but
the Christians have NEVER grown beyond what they were ages ago..the
religion simply didn`t appeal to anyone beyond those born and warped into
it.

Now...if you have any examples of FORCED CONVERSIONS into Islam of
Christians...be my guest.



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