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Re: Is real Democracy a Socialist system?
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, August 9 2006, 22:55:04 (CEST)
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Concerned Assyrian wrote:
>Following my previous post (below) I came across this excellent quote by Historian Figes from A People's Tragedy, p. 751:
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>"As in religion, so the fields of culture and social life, the attempt by the Bolsheviks to 'make the world and man anew' foundered on the rocks of reality. It was in many ways a utopian dream - one of the most ambitious in history - to beleive that human nature could be changed by simply altering the social environment in which people lived.


...bunk! Human Nature WAS changed...by Slavery...by Capitalism...by Fuedalism...human nature has been changing since we changed from eating our cousins raw and decided to cook them...we humans change endlessly...what these people who benefit from things-as-they-are mean is that they don`t THEIR "natures" changed. They want to believe that this is the best of all possible worlds and if it wasn`t, then it wouldn`t have "become" what it is.

...it isn`t Communism or Marx that will change human nature..it is Capitlaism that is changing human nature...until humans will no longer tolerate its frightful waste.

Man cannot be transformed quite so easily: human nature moves more slowly than ruling ideologies or society. This is perhaps the one enduring moral lesson of the Russian Revolution."


...but the Russian Revolution DID change things in Russia...as the revolution in France and the one in America changed things...they made many mistakes...who doesn`t?
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>Dear David Chibo,
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>"My question do we simply assume that we live in a democratic society and we should abolish capitalism in favour of Socialism?
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>Would a Socialist market place become the norm once Democracy is established?"
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>***The problem with socialism is that it is simply theoretical. Marx never attempted, as you see in his works, to place his socialist theories into a scenario in which they could be practiced. The idea of some sort of equality-prone utopia is absolutely ridiculous because it does not take into account the nature of human beings as living, breathing people but rather attempts to place upon them a life which is based on economic theories. The problem is it would never work; humans are selfish and greedy and will always want more than they have and then more than what another has. They want a place in society. They want a rank. They want status and flamboyance and Marx and Engles did not take this into account.
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>So in reply to your question, abolishing capitalism in favour of socialism will never happen due to some of the reasons I have explained above. Perhaps today all humans want is what the famous slogan Leninist slogan of the Russian Revolution tells us, "Bread, Land and Peace"; although with a hint of superiority.



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