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Re: Is real Democracy a Socialist system?
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, August 9 2006, 22:36:00 (CEST)
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Tiglath wrote:
>I was wondering what you guys think about Democracy.

...I`m not even sure what is meant by it anymore.
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>I mean according to Marx there were effectively three classes of society before the French Revolution of 1789, tore down the Bastille, with the slogan of Liberty, Egality and Fraternity and removed the monarchy.
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>Since then the remaining two classes have been the merchants and the workers.
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>Democracy means that all free men and women decide on their government's decisions and how it is run by giving them a vote.

...well. The only true democracy was in Greece for a little while...and not even then did everyone bother to come to the marketplace and vote. And there is no assurance that counting noses is any better form of government than a monarchy or aristocracy for that matter...any enlightened democracy depends for its life on Education..but what kind and dispensed by whom?

...we have Republics now...that means we have no say individually...rather we elect some one person to speak for us...and you know how that goes.


What we are seeing in today's Imperialistic age is the merchant class run amok by effectively hijacking the US government to further its profits and to initiate continuous war.

...they ran amok because we let them...becuase we don`t think ahead or think at all..because the handmaiden of oppresive government is religion which makes sure to keep people superstitious and easy to manipulate...Germany had a Republic and voted Hitler into office...we voted Bush into office...a democracy of KKK Klansmen means nothing.,..I mean it IS a democracy...but so what?
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>My question do we simply assume that we live in a democratic society and we should abolish capitalism in favour of Socialism?

...you won`t get anywhere "abolishing" things....real change takes time...a lot of it...and to be lasting it sort of has to spring up from the roots and spread slowly...I think Marx`s analysis, like Veblen`s and so many others, of what was wrong with industrial strength Capitalism was right on the money (sorry)...but his cures were ludicrous...maybe he never worked with the WORKING MAN...I have and I want no part of a "Workers" world.

...besides, we HAVE Socialism already...but that can be twisted and turned too....No, the only solution I see in dealing with a rampant merchant class allied with war-mongers and the military is to use the Boycott.

Neither Democracy nor Socialism would have voted out bus segregation in the old South..or Apartheid in Africa...only through getting at the PROFIT, not the entire wealth, of inductrialists can we "democractically" make our individual voices heard...by witholding our individual DOLLARS...screw the vote


...do you want to ect a Billionaire or just a multi-millionaire to represent you...that is your "choice" now. And these same people will NOT change it..of course not..they worked too hard and too long and too subtley to give up such a perfect system for swindling people. But...people have got to get TIRED of being swindled....that comes first...and all "socialism" does is keep them from getting fed up as quickly as they might.

Republicans and Conservatives accused FDR of being Communist or at the least Socialist for the welfare programs and work programs and sociual security and unemployment benefits etc...but all he was doing was putting out a pittance to KEEP Capitalism going...gasping, but going.

The only time American Labor and working people flourished was during the Labor Movement...THAT was America in action and with dignity too....and that was also a form of driect boycott...these people NEED our penies and ollars..we all know that about them...our money is far more powerful than our vote is ever going to be...the means of some sort of liberation is right there in our pockets and purses.

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>Would a Socialist market place become the norm once Democracy is established?

...you can`t have Democracy in any large country..and even in a small one not everyone will bother...the system will be a Republic and we`ll have to elect representatives....all Socialism will mean is some handouts..and they will be treated as hand-outs in order to keep things rolling along...without some degree of socialism you`d have more revolutions...socialims might itself become another opiate of the masses.
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>I would be interested in your opinions on this issue.

...you asked for it.



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