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Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said:

Posted by Tiglath (Guest) - Thursday, September 7 2006, 14:24:11 (CEST)
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Ashur wrote:
>Panco said:
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>"the definition of a nation isn't modern or ancient...it is the same 1000 years ago as it is today...we have NO attribuite of a nation today...not today and not 1000 years ago....give us an example instead of just holding your breath till you turn blue. "
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>MY REPLY:
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>The concept of NATION and NATIONALISM is very new which started in the 18 and early 19 century. In any event all those who wrote about this subject very rarely accept each other, because their definition was in conflict with each other.
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>I consider the ASSYRIAN people a nation under occupation, as others consider ther people NATIONS and here John Breully in his book Nationalism and State on page 149 look what he said :
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>" ... I will compare Arab nationalism in the Ottoman empire with European nationalism ( Balkan area I think he means ) in the Ottoman empire .. "
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>So ,the Arabs were considered as a NATION, even though at that time under the Ottoman empire never have an independent status, then why not us or me as Ashur you like that or not.

** I hate to point out these things BUT your own quote states Arab nationalism NOT the Arab nation.
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>In conclusion,if you think that is old up to 1000 years COULD YOU SUPPORT THAT HISTORICALLY, if you do then LET US SEE !

** Now according to Gellner's 'Nations and Nationalism' Nationalism is a pre-industrial concept that created a homogenous society from which to create a vast pool of workers that were concentrated aroundaa city to power the factories of Europe. Our people in the Middle East were all of ancient and modern Mesopotamian descent and upon being influenced by this wave of Nationilsm sweeping Europe each religous group and sect decided to adopt one of the numerous identities of their ancestors. The Sunni and Shiite went for the Arab identity which was more recent and more logical seeing as how they spokje Arab. We on the other hand influenced by the discovery of Nineveh in 1850s decided to adopt the ancient Assyrian identity and afix it to our modern day church. I hope that clears things up a little.

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Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Ashur - Thursday, September 7 2006, 6:12:58 (CEST)
- Re: Nation and Nationalism Ashur - 09/07 06:14
- Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Tiglath - 09/07 14:24
  - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Maggie - 09/07 21:42
    - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Tiglath - 09/08 14:12
      - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Maggie - 09/09 01:48
        Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: pancho - 09/09 20:40
        Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Maggie - 09/10 20:44
        Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Allah Mathematics - 09/13 09:24
        Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Maggie - 09/13 09:59
        
        so...when did you get back into the state? pancho - 09/15 19:41
        
        all well and good...but! pancho - 09/15 19:44
        Re: all well and good...but! Qasrani - 09/15 20:48
        
        Re: all well and good...but! Maggie - 09/15 22:44
        Re: all well and good...but! pancho - 09/18 21:28
        Re: all well and good...but! Maggie - 09/18 22:50
      - Gibran Khalil Gibran Jeff - 09/16 06:35
        Re: Gibran Khalil Gibran Maggie - 09/16 10:17
        
        Re: Gibran Khalil Gibran Tiglath - 09/16 13:44
        Re: Gibran Khalil Gibran Maggie - 09/17 08:38
        Re: Gibran Khalil Gibran Tiglath - 09/18 13:26
        
        yes he was....but he didn`t TALKALOT about it! pancho - 09/18 21:36
  - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Ashur - 09/08 02:16
    - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Tiglath - 09/08 14:08
      - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: pancho - 09/09 20:42
- Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: pancho - 09/09 20:34
  - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: Ashur Beth-Shlimon - 09/09 21:00
    - Re: Nation and Nationalism Panco said: pancho - 09/09 21:41
      - Re: Nation and Nationalism Pancho said: Ashur Beth-Shlimon - 09/09 23:27
        Re: Nation and Nationalism Pancho said: pancho - 09/15 19:30
        Re: Nation and Nationalism Pancho said: Ashur Beth-Shlimon - 09/15 20:56
        you`re such a cute dope...really! pancho - 09/18 21:38
        Re: And you`re such a cute dope too!! Ashur Beth-Shlimon - 09/19 03:19
        Re: And you`re such a cute dope too!! pancho - 09/21 21:42

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