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Re: On Ex Bishop Ashor Soro’s Upcoming Tour of Canada
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Friday, July 14 2006, 19:18:56 (CEST)
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Concerned Assyrian wrote:
>“...you were born a Christian in Muslim lands. There isn´t a single thing you can point to that makes you Assyrian. The language is ARAMAIC, as you never tire of telling the wurld...the language¨"Jesus spoke", remember? And the Hebrews AND the Egyptians spoke it as well...the language proves nothing..I can learn French, that doesn´t make me French.”
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>***Firstly don’t make assumptions about where I was born. I was born in a secular country very far from the Middle East!

..and don`t you do the same...I wasn`t refering to you specifically...you caught this disease from those who were.

Why are you attempting to disprove the fact that I am an Assyrian?

...I`m not. I`m just showing how you can`t be...how you are Jewish, although of a sect of Judaism..and how you are a shabby human bean who tries to hijack the Assyrian Heritage so you can get some attention when, as a run of the mill Christian, no one would take notice.

So do you assume that because I speak Aramaic, the language of the Assyrians for a period of time, that I have simply picked up this language and associated it with an Assyrian ethnicity while having no historic relation to the Assyrians of ancient times? If I am not an Assyrian ethnically who am I?

...who cares? There is no Assyrian ethnicity any longer..it has been diluted to water...your silly claim is that BECAUSE you are Christian, you MUST be Assyrian...which makes as much sense as a Jew saying that because he was born Christian, he is a JEW.
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>”there was no "love of Assyria" or even much knowledge of it till European Christians dug the history out. You are all named David or Solomon or Paul or Peter or John or, in your odd case, "Concerned"...this "Ashur" business is a new invention meant to keep you from being "Arabized", though you run and beg quickly enough to be Americanized...one other thing: Assyrians were never cowards...they hid nothing.”
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>***Well the annals of Church history demonstrate that as far back as the 16th century and even many centuries before this there were Assyrians who were patriotic, from bishops to individuals.

..the Church lies...they all do...we all know that. They lie and lie and lie...only they do it "for Jesus" so it`s okay. No one takes religious "history" seriously..it is merely a history of your own foibles and weird beliefs..I`m sure Voodoo priests also have their "history".

And even though many of us have Christian names and have had them for so long,

...they are Jewish names...not Christian. This shows how you trick yourselves into believing you are Assyrians...because you speak a language that wasn`t even ASSYRIAN...except you now SAY it was. The name David is NOT Christian..it is Jewish...neither is "John" Christian...but because you say "Youkhenna", you think therefore that it`s become a Christian name..because a Christian wears it...you do the same with other Christian and Jewish rituals..you simply re-christen them "Assyrian" and voila...you are ASSYRIAN!

the surge of nationalism (with parents naming their children after Assyrian Kings and figures) was a great rejuvenation of nationalism.

..there was no surge in nationalism...that`s poppycock..there was an attempt to hide religious nonsense and jealousies, the same ones you were battling over when the Muslims came and forced you to a truce...behind supposedly national issues. It was a royal scam, is all. You are not a "nation"...you are a gaggle of minor Christian sub-sects fighting over trivilaities of 1400 years ago....we can see now, now that the whole "nationalism" bullshit blew up, as we knew it would, that everyone has come out from behind their "nation" and is spouting religioous garbage at each other....do you think becaue you fool yourselves the rest of us follow?

What is wrong from attempting to flee the “Arabization” and “Kurdification” processes pushed upon us? Should we desist and become ethnically Arabs and religiously Christians?

...that`s all you are, though not strictly Arab.. In an attempt to save themselves, your clergy decided you must all be Assyrian..or Chaldean...or Aramean...because THEY didn`t want to be subsumed into an Arabic Christianity...many more people converted to Islam than to Christianity....the majority of ancient Assyrians found in Islam, not Christ, an echo of their own beliefs and virtues...for proof you can look to what the Muslims built in Baghdad...the most advanced culture of its day...as addmitted to by REAL historians and not your church hysterians...the Arabs had none of this in their background...they came to BetNahrain and found a dispirited populace caught between warring bishops...as you STILL have...and they imposed a peace...they didn`t give a damn which finger of Christ you saluted..it was all gibberish to them and besides, they had their own gibberish to worry about...but many people looked at what the Arabs had to offer and they RECOGNIZED more of Assyria than there was in your bleeding heart and head Christians...down on their knees supplicating a Jew to get them off the planet..the Assyrians lived and built for HERE an NOW..not for some airy fairy place in a cloud where they could gaze at yahwe..the greatest mass killer the world has ever seen....the Assyrians who hadn`t fallen into despair enough to bank on a Jew...joined the Muslims...they got back on a horse, picked up a sword again, and a square and a plumb line and a hammer and axe and rode off to build yet another great Mesopotamian culture...as Sargon the Great came from the desert with his tribesmen to rejuvenate Sumer and as Hammurabi`s tribe came later to do the same in their turn, so too did Islam come from the same desert to once again reinvigorate the people of BetNahrain...under the leadership of the Arabs, Assyrians joined their cutlure to the fighting style and vigor they remembered from their own days and together they rode across Africa, defeating the murderous Christians of Constantinople as they went...all the way to Spain where they built the most refined and exquisite cutlure while Christian Europeans were burning each other at the stake and twisting in the clutches of their church..a time known as the DARK AGES..and for good reason.. not only did the Arabs fecundate Europe with the seeds of BetNahrain, but that influence, after 700 years in Moorish Spain, was taken to the New World and spread even farther...and during all this time you putzes brag about going barefoot to China and building a stone....where are all the "millions" of willing converts in China and Japan...were they too mysteriuosly "murdered" by Muslims? In truth your religion, your eastern brand, never had much appeal for anyone except slaves...everywhere else in the world people RAN from it, not to it...they had to be caught and murdered so their children could be "raised" Christian...you won`t find any of this in your "religious history"...that`s because this is the way it REALLY happened...and which priest is going to tell the truth?
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>”..you are NOT "my" fellow Assyrians..you are CHRISTIANS...no Jew today can claim to still be a Jew if he switches religions...no Jew who converts to Islam or Christ would DARE say he was still a Jew. You people ran after a Jew and now you want to tell us that makes you even MORE Assyrian..even while you damn to hell all CHRISTIAN ASSYRIANS who happen to differ from you in some minor aspect of the SAME FRIGGIN RELIGION...yet you remain "Assyrian" when you switch to an entriely DIFFERENT religion? Are Assyrians supposed to be STOOPID too? Is that another sure sign?”
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>***Your argument is lousy, as it were! It is absolutely idiotic and silly of you to attempt to claim that if one changes his religion his nationality changes as well.

...look up the word "nation"...in no way, in the modern sense, since these last 400 years...have you Christians EVER been a nation. You use the term in its poetic sense...but that doesn`t fly in the real world. You have no Assyrian "ethnicity" or "nationality"...none whatsoever...you just gather in small knots and tell each other whatever you like to hear...besides which, back then religion WAS your ethnicity and nation...but that was back then..the Jews are the only ones to stay true to their heritage...you all bailed out because a Jew offered you a paradise...if you ate him!

I can be an Australian Christian and change my religion to Buddhist and become an Australian Buddhist. Similarly one can become an Assyrian Muslim or an Assyrian Hindu.

..there is an Australia today...there is no Assyria. There is no Gaul either...no land for the Basques...Albion no longer exists and no Roamn from Rome today can claim to be descended from Caesar...there is an Iraq today...that is all. You can be Iraqi and change to any religion you want and remain Iraqi...there is NO Assyria except in your fevered imagination...and that means nothing.
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>”...you aren`t Assyrian either.”
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>***How the hell am I not an Assyrian? What is wrong with you? How can you flagrantly say that people are not the nationality they have been for thousands of years? If I am not an Assyrian what am I?

...you have not been that nationality for thousands of years..these are the tricks your slimey priests played on your ignorant minds when you sat in darkened church basements to learn your "history". No reputable sholar or historian anywhere sees it the way you people do...
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>”..where did you ever get that idea? Show me ONE of you who has built ANYTHING anywhere...just one. And I don`t mean singing to your own chorus or smelling your own farts. I mean in the WORLD!”
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>***Built what exactly? A building, a monument? What? My money has gone to paying for the building of Churches, cultural centers, monuments etc.

...what cultural centers...what monuments? Name them. Your money has gone to churches..churches you were told to believe were "Assyrian"..or else you would have given your money to ANY church...your priest knew that...he prevailed on you to believe you are Assyrian and to believe his church is Assyrian and to believe that all Assyrians HAVE to be Christian...after that where WOULD you send your money but to him? You were BUYING the "right" to call yourself Assyrian, that`s all...for HIS greater glory and security, not for yours, obviously.
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>“Someone who "hates" Assyrians would hardly have spent 30 years and hundreds of thousands of his own dollars to create Assyrian sculpture...or to built two public monuments...one in San Francisco and one that should have gone to Chicago but will now be in California as well. These are not the acts of someone who "hates"..let alone hates the Assyrian Heritage.”
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>***I commend you on your monuments but if you loved Assyrian sculpture and Assyrian arts why are you attempting to consistently tell me that I am not an Assyrian?

...because you follow a Jew lord. Assyrians followed and were inspired by Ashur...it`s that simple. Show me ONE Jew who has chosen to follow Ashur...who was a much better god than their`s ever was...as witnessed by what he inspired in them while the Hebrews couldn`t build a toilet...all you`ve done is re-name neo-Judaism "Christianity" and then yourselves "Assyrians"...that`s all. If it`s true that you can remain Assyrian while converting away from Ashur, then you can remain Assyrian if you convert to Allah and Muhammad..the fact that you Christians don`t accept this conversion proves you are lying when you say you can change religions and remain Assyrian...the majority of the people in the MidEast are ALL descended from ALL the glorious ancient people of BetNahrain and they are MOSTLY Muslims today...it is only YOU who claim that Christianity makes YOU the only "real" Assyrians...that YOU´LL allow! Who gave you that authority if NOT your wiley priests.

Are you stating that I and millions of others are not Assyrians ethnically or are you stating that we are not worthy enough to be Assyrians according to you high-held standards?

...both. Even during the time of the ancients there was no "pure" ethnicity..it is you Christians who are fixated on pure this and pure that...back then people mixed freely in marriage and culture...they respected ALL gods...esepcially those of the people they vanquished..they were far more humane and tolerant than you Christians are today who are STILL killing each other over church trivialities...Assyrians were NEVER pure...they have mixed and mixed and mixed...and there hasn`t been an Assyria for a few thousand years...get over it.
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>”...there you go again...whoever doesn`t agree with you is a traitor, an enema and now a heretic too. Since I don`t believe a word of your tripe, how can I be a heretic...what is my heresy? Neither you nor Jesus are not the star I set my course by, therefore I can`t be said to deviate from your "guiding light". I have my own beliefs...they are not heresies but my own beliefs...and while the friggin fathers of the Church may snuggle up to you and you may all rent a house by the sea and live happily ever after...you can count on it that no ASSYRIAN would give you the time of day...I sail by the light of Ashur to which YOU are the heretic...and thank goodness too...the Jews have more uses for you than Assyrians do.”
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>***Let me address this slow enough so your mind can comprehend it.

...let me remind you that my mind can withstand being known by its name...something your mind hasn`t been able to come to grips with yet...Ashur would have left you with anough courage to do so..instead you are facile and glib...clever instead of wise....go on...we have missed having this sort of undressing in a while...you are only one more in a long string of people who found out soon enough that what they have is a veneer...a thin coating of what you call Assyrian, with no depth behind it...in a few more attempts you too will be gone....none of you warriors can do more than repeat what was fed to you....beyond that, you are helpless and speechless too....a fact you try to cover up by claiming that you, all of a sudden, have more important things to attend to.

Firstly you are quite entitled to have any opinion you have and discuss it, and I have the right to tell you are a fruitcake who doesn’t know what he is talking about!

..of course...that`s why this is the only Assyrian site that never bans or deletes...because we are not Christian.

And if I have the opportunity I will exercise that right

...you can say whatever you like here...no one will remove you or bar your way...we have never done that, because we can deal in ideas and know how to back them up...whereas you all shout your slogans and then either duck and hide or slam your doors shut so no one can respond.

… just as you accuse me of not being an Assyrian and being a heretic. And I wish the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was the star by which you set your course for the eternal salvation which you can only achieve through our merciful Lord.

...I told you...I am not INTERESTED in your lord...there are plenty of others and all of their ditzy followers think THEY are the best and only. Obviously there is more than one god...there has been ever since time began...each has his or her own following....if you want to make a big deal out of your own...go ahead. It`s boring and childish...but like I said, you`re free here.

If you don’t have respect for the fathers of the Church then I suggest you keep it to yourself.

...why should I? When has this church kept anything, including its hands and pricks to itself? When has the church kept its fires and the stake to itself? When has it kept its dungeons and chains to itself? When has it refrained from meddling in people`s lives and telling them how they should conduct themselves that I must keep quiet?

While I believe in democratic rights to free speech this doesn’t mean one can flagrantly attack those who have given so much for us.

..it is not flagrant and it is not malicious...because I point out the immense piles of shit your church has dropped in all our lives that doesn`t mean the shit is MINE...I merely point to it...and I do it with chapter and verse...you may think you know the history of your church, but you don`t...you only know what they have told you..what they allow to be their history. Your defects have no power over me...they are your`s.

Lastly, if indeed you are a worshipper of Ashur and the pagan Gods, I hope you are able to do as my Assyrian ancestors so smartly did 2000 years ago in Edessa and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as the “Light of the World”.


...no such thing ever happened. All you have for "proof" is more lying and self-serving documents put out by that same church. Smartly, you say? You only have to look at what this religion of slaves has done to you so-called "Assyrians". You are chopped up into meaningless lumps, each at the other`s throat...having betrayed your god once you`ve gone on to shoppe among a boutique filled with Chrtistian sects, each of them offering you a better corner of a Jew-heaven...you heve been chased round the world...you are forced to hide and beg...and these are all things yo`ve been taught to EXTOLL as true marks of a superior religion...go figure that one out!

of COURSE you believe this crap...how ELSE can you hide your shame at what a mockery this religion has made of "Assyrians"!



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