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Re: Please EMAIL me
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, November 13 2006, 8:30:45 (CET)
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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:
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>" ...therefore, it is not "moving on" you are really suggesting...but rather you are asking me not to persist in my request for answers...I haven't done that to you yet...I am willing to discuss any topic you choose...because, as an adult, I can handle any topic you choose...I can treat you like a child or an adult, the choice is yours to make...not mine. "
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>I am not running either period, but what good will be to discuss with you , WHEN YOU ARE A STUBBORN PERSON WHO SEES THAT HE IS POLITICALLY CORRECT always no matter what I will say.

...give me your facts...stop discussing my character...I don't care for yours either...but if you have some facts to discuss or ideas...go ahead.

..people don't discuss in order to change other people's minds...they discuss things to flesh them out..to clarify them...to expand upon them and to understand them better,,,you said the Christians of Hims were killed...you said it was an example of Muslims wiping out Christians because their religion tells them to and because they hate Christians...but the facts you brought to support your argument presented a different picture to me...one in harmony with what historians have said about Muslim relations with Christians...I pointed out to you that by your own admission the Christians of Hims REBELLED...I said this showed that they were punished for rebelling and not for being Christians. Since they were Christians the day before they rebelled, and suffered nothing for it...but were killed the day after they rebelled..this would indicate, to an adult, that the cause of their being killed, all of a sudden, was NOT the religion but their BEHAVIOR, because their behavior was a specific event in time, whereas their religion was a constant.

This is significant and yet you have chosen to bring up nothing but Hell, Devils, Evil and appearances...it is important because it sheds light on the major argument you boys make...that Christians of Iraq had been targetted by Ialam, the Ottoman Empire and the government of Saddam JUST because they are Christians...as you claimed the people of Hims were killed JUST because they were Christians...but the truth is that the majority of Christians lived stable and secure lives among their Muslim brothers and sisters and that a minority of hate-filled people such as yourself who try to use the Assyrian Heritage to establish a land-claim were the ones to "suffer"...they did NOT suffer because they were Christians but rather for what they were claiming and demanding BECAUSE of their Christian indoctrination...those claims constitute sedition...claiming that the established government is illegitimate and has no legal or moral basis to rule...and additionally, asking for a piece of that sovereign nation for yourselves, a Christian minority sect with claims of being Assyrians! To make these ideas known is to spread sedition and no government of any country will allow that..it is similar, sort of, to the rebellion of the Christians of Hims...you boys suffered exactly what the Native Americans did in the 1970s when they laid claim to parts of America..they were hounded by security police, they were jailed on trumped-up charges, they were tortured in prisons and were set up and framed for crimes they did not commit...these are the sorts of things that ANYONE would suffer in any country who preached sedition and a private right to a portion of the nation...it didn't come because of your religion, but because of your DEEDS and WORDS and since it is your religion that has fostered these idiotic notions , your religion and its village churches especially have made themselves the legitimate objects of concern and your more outspoken nutsos the recipients of retaliation (Oh my GOD! I sound like KAKOVITCH!!!)...and so it was an important point...and you haven't been able to deal with it since...but are either telling us you will write no more, then writing more, then apoloizing, then calling people names and all the rest of the childish behavior which you engage in, If you find yourself being treated as a child...don't blame me.
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>This has been a long discussion with you which took weeks ,

..it has not been a discussion at all...I have posted hundreds and thousands of words...you have infrequently replied with cute one-liners...in each of my posts I raise questions that you STILL can't address...and you call this NOT running away? Why? because you "answer" me with insipid jokes?

so I may engage with you from time to time, BUT I suggest to find somebody else to make you busy , I got my share in dealing with you.

...run along then. You had nothing to say from the beginning except to repeat what your priest told you...like all the other nonsense Christianity taught you to chant...as if you were some savage in a cave before an altar where an animal lay bleeding. An animal or Jesus.

...we want ideas here...not dogma.
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>Then, you better speak on your behalf, because I didn't see any statement from Margaret or Tiglath to be their spokesman, in any way even they agree on that that is doesn't matter as long as I was dealing with you personally.

...I have no idea WHAT you just tried to say. Who said anything about a spokesman...I said you refuse to answer Margaret as well...and you call this NOT running?
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>In conclusion, I will be glad that you have - as you see yourself - that you could debate with any one and beat him/her,

...I'm not rrying to beat anyone or win anything...I am merely exercising my right to read, to think and to write freely....YOU are the one who interjected yourself into a post wherein I mentioned that my reading to date had shown no instances of forced conversions on the part of Muslims OR massacres of Chritians JUST because they were Christians...you took exception with that position and brought in Hims to prove me wrong or challenge me...I then pointed out that in your own statement you said the Christians of Hims were punished because they rebelled...not because they were Christians...I pointed this out to you after which you took a moral stance on the nastiness of "eliminating" people and whether that was morally better than converting them...and then you launched into that tired old acusation that I must be Muslim and am trying to sell people on Islam and all the rest of the nonsense all you boys deal in when your two and a half arguments get shot to hell and you don't know what else to say because there's no priest standing close by to tell you...at that point you all get nasty and mean and low...after which you come apologizing and the rest of it...which is only meant to clean you up a little so you can do the SAME thing all over again.

so please there are a lot people who are challenging our nation, it will be good to face them with your superiority and that will make me very happy, SO PLEASE DO THAT, and not to be smart for me !

...I didn't write the original post for you or to you...I wrote it to write it and put it out there for people to consider...you SEEMED eager to take up the challenge and you were given every freedom to elaborate and explain your counter-argument...then you became angry at your failure and embarrassed that in front of us all such a "champion of Assyria" had to be seen ducking and evading...as for instance my repeated question as to why you Christian Assyrians only cry for those of you killed by Muslims....I add this statement to each post just to remind people reading of your moral bankruptcy, duplicity, deceitfulness and hypocrisy...because the ones killed by Christians are too embarrassing to you...and of no use.

...Your "nation", which is a gaggle of sects and not a nation, isn't suffering any more than zillions of people on this earth..it certainly isn't suffering more than Muslims are...you people CRY like someone is beating you up...but in reality you have only each other for enemies...you mention often enough that Simko killed your Patriarch but NEVER mention that the next Patriarch was killed by one of YOU! Another unpleasant reality you try to sweep under the rug.

....Your terrible presentation in front of the world is the result of ignorance born of lives spent in villages refusing to be contaminated by mixing with Iraqis...you have buried yourselves in your monastaries and manuscripts and filled yourselves with grandiloquent notions of what was DONE to you and what is OWED to you....you know nothing of the rest of the world and its history..else you never would have been so stupid as to think foreign Christians would save you....THIS TIME...neither would you ask foreign Christians to get you a country because you "were there first"...the list of your blunders goes on and on..and the saddest thing is that you boys have scared away intelligent, educated, wise and thoughtful Assyrians who don't wish to be smeared by you when you can't answer them but instead accuse them of being the Devil's spawn or call their mothers whores..as a way of winning an argument...because you know decent people won't stand for that kind of treatment...this despicable character trait you all share which makes you behave in such cowardly ways has backfired on all of you whenever you dared use it against me...so much so that your other forums have sealed themselves off and choked themselves too...exposing the people there for the ignorant fools they are...we have to change the rules...from now on people such as YOU should be the ones to get embarrassed and be shamed into leaving the front.

...and you will take yourselves away...one by one. There is no need to ban any of you....you will ban yourselves...as aina has done.



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