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Re: Pooping a Crock of Shit On a hill...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Thursday, May 11 2006, 4:11:28 (CEST)
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Don wrote:
>Sup Farid. How's life? We never ended up seeing each other while you were in California. Too bad...

...no...bad timing.
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>I must say, you've been doing this for so long that you have one hell of an argument to put forth.

..the church has been at it longer...only one of us has burned people at the stake as a way of settling the "argument".

So let me get this straight, you take Will Durant's explanation over that of Paul Younan's?

...because Yonan is wrong. There are all sorts of examples of self-sacrifice way before Jesus came along...and Will Durant doesn´t say self-denial was unique with Jesus..in fact he says the Buddhists are far more advanced along those lines than Jesus ever was.

Other than the easy to utter reply of "but that's pious rot," can you tell me why Paul's explanation is inadequate and Will Durant's isn't? Just for a second,


...like I said...there are LOTS of examples of self-sacrifice BEFORE Jesus came along...it was nothing new in the ancient world...and, as I also pointed out, Jesus was a GOD...remember? Therefore he was only playing at suffering and dying..he knew damn well he would bounce right up and go to heaven...Socrates and millions of others didn´t believe that for a minute...they were human, there was no "miracle" in store for them...they suffered for REAL and went down to their graves without any expectation of living forever anyway...I have never understood how you people accept such a fraud as the "sacrifice" of Jesus...what sacrifice? He was just PRETENDING.

put aside all the Christians-didn't-sacrifice-anything-but-sacrfice-humans-by-killing stuff. We're talking about a supposedly good "Christian," not Pope Pius XII, who pretty much sanctioned the Jewish Holocaust. Keep in mind I do know acts of selflessness had been been around before Jesus Messiah.

Jesus was a JEW..he was NOT a Christian.
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>My next question is, even if the idea of "self-sacrifice" had been around for years before, what the problem with someone coming along and renewing it? Afterall, that's what Muhammad (PBUH) did. He claimed all the prophets before him were indeed sent by God, but that he was coming to renew the message that had been forgotten or perverted.

...Muhammad didn´t preach self-sacrifice...he renewed other parts of the basic message...which is nothing more than there is a hobgoblin up in the sky so you better watch it. How would you like to be confronted by people who preached a "renewal" of all the OTHER things people in the time of Jesus believed? Would you want a surgeon operating on you who used the same tools they used at the time of Jesus? How about carpentry..or hygiene? How can it be that you´rew so glad we don´t perscribe bat piss mixed with the menstrual blood of a cow for headaches any longer...but you STILL revere what them harity Hebrews thought about when it comes to morals...or sex....or ANYTHING? Maybe it´s way past time our morals caught up with our sense of hygeine...or chocolate or ANYTHING. Jews thought wild honey and live bugs were a delicacy...do you?
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>And then my last comment/question. While I agree that most Assyrians have become to passive, what do you have to say about people who in recent history have fought or in some way worked toward solutions - whether they had to or they just felt like it? I'm talking about our Agha Putrus's and Mar Shimun Benyamin's - those kind of people.

..when you have to fight, you should fight. You should put it off as much as possible...find any way out of the dilemna...but if it´s necessary then fight in such a way as the NEXT time your opponents will remember it and try desperately to find another solution rather than tackle you again. Marshimun was a fool to believe the British...or to believe Jesus for that matter...believing as Jesus did gets you JUST what Jesus got...he said so...he never said you´d get good jobs or land or win the lottery if you followed him..he SAID you´d wind up being sacrificed...but that it was okay cause you´d get to see yahewh when you died...does an intelligent person WANT to see yahweh...under ANY circumstances?

And there were others. Apparently, we have not lost the will to fight or to work toward solutions.

...to fight meaningfully...yes we have. We only beat up on each other..that´s because we´re the only ones we´re sure are weak and stupid enough to match us...any REAL fight or endeavor and we stay way the hell away from it.

I think this recent generation dilla. But believe me, I ain't going to settle for less. I have faith (I watch Jeff cringe).

...as Confucious said..."Put your faith in one hand and spit in the other and see which fills up faster." Of course you have faith...you NEED to...because there isn´t anything practical you can think of do...there´s a boulder blocking your path..you have no idea how to move boulders...you´re too weak alone and you can´t find anyone to help you...what´s left to you BUT faith? Faith that somehow a Jew will come move it for you?
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>KHAYA ASHUR,
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>Donald



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