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Re: dancing in the gutter...
Posted by Maggie (Guest) - Tuesday, October 18 2005, 2:34:11 (CEST)
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beezlebub wrote:
>Maggie wrote:
>>I don't know who Narsai is other than he is obviously your friend and:
>>-President of AIDS
>>-A famous chef
>>-A prominent business man
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>>My objection to Narsai the so-called "Assyrian" President of AIDS and prominent business man, NOT the man, is the following:
>>1) He is obviously enchanted with fame and prominence, otherwise he would NOT have traded his friend and supporter, Farid, for more "prominent" machismo Bourgeoisie Assyrians.
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>...fame and fortune are a part of the business world he inhabits...the more fame, the more fortune....and his fame was a big part of getting the Ashurbanipal where it is...on my own I would have had a devilish time convincing anyone I was serious or to be trusted...but with Narsai's active support and Ana Eshoo lending us her name and reputation...doors opened far more quickly, not to mention wallets...them's the realities...

Good for him, I sure don't begrudge him for his fame and fortune. He earned it.

>...he knows I support the principle of helping people..he also counted on me NOT to take the piece away from him, to be bigger than the dweebs he works with...I can forgive him all of the other stuff and keep my eyes on the prize...and so can he.

Great, so stop whining!

" I have said some rather awful and hurtful things about him...things he had coming but were none the less painful to hear and see broadcast over the web...still, he overlooked MY actions because he believes in my work and, at some level, in me too. We are BOTH dealing with nincompoops, trying to see over their heads to the larger issue at hand..but, for right now, these are the only "Assyrians" out there...and we have to cater to them somewhat."

I do what I do for the same reason, so what makes YOU better than me?

>>2) He would NOT have turned thousands of dollars worth of art donations from a phenomenal Assyrian sculpture, (in fact the ONLY one) and an old friend, to appease a circle of fascist and immoral Assyrians.
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>...the AIDS group is NOT a Tyranny...like some Dadeeshooville

The fact that you and others throw DAdesho in my face everytime I criticize someone as an individual, as Maggie, PROVES the tyranny!!

" I could mention...it is rather a group of people who, for better or worse, attempt to function along democractic lines so that everyone's opinion can be heard and weighed equally...the group vote was to reject my donation...that doesn't mean Narsai liked it"

I can say the same about Dadesho. He doesn't own anything to do with Bet-Nahrain or AssyriSat. He has a board of directors to answer to, and members to answer to, who by the way meet and discuss issues and vote on them, just like your friends. So what precisely is the difference?

"...but I would be even more disappointed in him if he up and walked out in a huff and played Bingo instead..he is committed, the event is a few days away, this is NOT the time to grandstand or to be "loyal" to a pal..no real pal would allow it."

You don't have to ALLOW it, it should have come from HIM, not to allow your donation if you were not allowed to attend. The art and artist are the same, so they'll take your art, but not the artist? Does that make any sense? Listen to yourself justifying Narsai's action! I'm disappointed!
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>>3) He would NOT be part of an event in which only members of ONE Assyrian party attend annually, namely Zowaa. He would have, at one point, to look around and see that it’s the same people that attend, and they are ALL affiliated with ONE party, and all the donations from his event go to that ONE party!
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>..that is not his problem..it is a problem in the community of dunderheads of ALL parties we have...if he tries to appease one group, the other gets pissed and so on...his job is to put on the BEST damn show and event he can...it's up to the rest to behave in an adult manner and support it. You aren't responsible for Kanno's views and neither is Narsai responsible for the imbecility surrounding him.

If he is going to be the PRESIDENT of each and every chapter of AIDS throughout the US, then yes, it is HIS problem! It's different to invite someone on a show and listen to his views, even though you don't agree with his platform, 'cause he's not the president of your organization, but when your own board votes for the art, but not the artist, then they are saying BOO to both. They are disrespecting the artist and the art!
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>>4)-He would NOT be the president of a fund-raising society that fund-raises for ONE Assyrian party, and not others,
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>...this is Dadeeshoos tired war horse about how AIDS money goes to ZOWAA..

When I lived in L.A. I had never heard of Dadesho nor KBSV. I did fundraiser for Assyrian AIDS society, installed AIDS cans in every Assyrian business, and it ALL went to Zowaa!

"it does not. It can't be helped that as of now ZOWAA has the people on the ground willing to take the risks in getting the generators and supplies out to the remote villages...if anything AIDS USES ZOWAA to conduct things on the ground over there...Narsai can't do that as well...and neither can he dictate whom they hire and fire..."

No one is asking Narsai to hire people for doing that. But Narsai definitely has to have a say in who's pockets the money goes.

"this is NOT a Dadeeshoo event in which one man and his moustache rule."

Dadesho can say the same thing when Bet-Nahrain does fund-raising. Dadesho doesn't decide where the money goes, it's the board of directors that decide.
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>and does NOT have a say HOW that money will be spent by that party.
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>...there is no party...they have a newsletter that spells out exactly what and how much and where...something Dadeeshoo never heard of"

Not true. The treasure at Bet-Nahrain discloses a report to the members every three months and the board is accountable to EVERY penny. No difference here.

"...anyone can file a complaint anywhere such things are done and demand an audit...Narsai is too astute to play these silly games..he has no political or national axe to grind...he could give a shit which midget hollars the loudest...his ONE concern is to use his ability and status to make a difference...and he has."

And that's admirable, but Narsai cannot control his board of directors, and this is obvious in what they did to you!
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> You can go into Zinda archives and see all the ads of AIDS which fundraises for ONE party only, and that is ZOWAA.
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>...you show us where there is an add that links AIDS and ZOWAA in any way and declares that one is raising funds for the other...I have no doubt that in Phoenix and Timbuktu there are assholes who work for ZOWAA who are only too glad to make that connection, and who may weel work for AIDS as well...but this also is not Narsai's responsibility..if anyone is responsible for the assholes out there it is US.

For more than fifteen years this is how it has been done, and nothing has changed. The day AIDS does a fund raiser for anyone other than Zowaa, then the people can't open their mouths and say AIDS is a branch of Zowaa. Until then, you can't prove it isn't part of the same organization. There are other organizations and insittutions that do good works in Northern Iraq too, and I have never heard AIDS do fundraisers for them. When the entire pot goes to Zowaa, then people have the right to question it, and this has nothing to do with Dadesho!
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> Additionally, you can go into paltalk anytime, and listen to how AIDS is described as a branch of Zowaa by Zowaa leaders. No more pretenses, please.
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>..that also has nothing to do with Narsai...you can also hear dime store Christians describe how they are the children of Ashurbanipal..that is THEIR fantasy...that is all. People in ZOWAA may well wish to take credit for everything including sliced bread..let them...that STILL won't stop Narsai...who knows how to keep his eyes fixed on the prize.

Yes, but dime store Christians are not raising funds for ONE party!
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>>5) He would not be part of an organization that refuses to be accountable to the money they receive from AIDS.
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>...you're babbling now...he is NOT a part of ZOWAA...the only organization he is a part of, AIDS, regularly discloses and accounts for the money that passes through. Narsai has been to Washington, to high profile people and events...he'd hardly play silly games in AIDS and then go make a public spectacle of himself...you're using a Dadeeshoo ruler to measure a Narsai mountain."

Your partiality is coming through!
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> Narsai is under scrutiny right now because he is being questioned by various organizations and leaders as to how the funding of Zowaa was conducted and where the money went!
>
>...they can scrutinize his asshole and then mine next...they can ask all the fucking questions they want to, their "concerns" do not translate into a "crisis" for Narsai...they are gunning for Narsai for the same reason you claimed Tony was out for you..because he is a SUCCESSFUL ASSYRIAN and they can think of no better way to attack him than to call his mother a whore OR imply that he is profiting somehow, OR dishonest...he could make REAL money in the time he gives to AIDS.

They are not scrutinizing him for his personal business, only the money that goes to Zowaa. I don't give a damn how great Narsai is or isn't! He's accountable to people who donate money, PERIOD!
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>...you should know better from your own experience as an exceptional woman than to believe the nay-sayers YOU like.

I don't believe nay sayers. I look at the proof! The proof to me is in what HIS BOARD did to you. And if he is part of them, then they are part of him. HE can't have it both ways!
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> Do you think he will drop his Bourgeoisie friends and cohorts that will back him up at this crucial moment to back you up? I think not! He knows that when it's time to testify, he will need them, NOT you.
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>...testify??? Are you mad??? testify WHERE...before WHOM? For WHAT??? I do not EXPECT him to back ME up...this is not about ME...it's about how best to serve the people in Iraq...if right now he feels he has to go through with this year's event...and sells my donation on the side to raise the money for AIDS...that's fine with both of us...I don't call it "loyalty" to stay "friends" with ME while hurting the people of Iraq...."

Well may be you haven't heard but that's the talk right now. This is what people are discussing right now in all the rooms in paltalk.

"what he might well do however is begin to look a little harder at the people using him...and that would be the best thing to come out of all this...the man can EASILY host a night of dining and an art auction that will bring in MORE than catering to these factions will...it's up to him."

You are coming back to my point!
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>>He can be perfectly honest, moral, etc., etc., and his heart may be in the right place, but he would have to also eventually be smart and understand what these people are and the games they play to bring other Assyrians down for exposing them, their motives, and their status.
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>...I agree...but NOT because of any ZOWAA connection...ZOWAA is no better or worse than that fried banana you work with. Narsai is.

Did I say there was a difference between ANY Assyrian political organization?
So in essence you agree with what I said all along!

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>>Don't cry for me Assyria!!!!
>
>...so long as you don't scream DADEESHOOOOO!!!

YOU are the only one always screaming DADESHO, Farid. If I did not have a show on AssyriSat, you would NOT be throwing Dadesho in my face everytime I open my mouth to say something! No difference when Doozoota says it, or when you say it. They are both fascistic remarks intended to shaming me for doing a show on AssyriSat. But think about this:

If I leave AssyriSat, (which is bound to happen one day, anyway, as we all get old and decrepit, or move to Mexico when we retire) YOU and others will NOT be happy with my replacement, I GUARANTEE it!

So be freaking happy that there's SOME diversity in Assyrian Media today, because none of you will able to kick me around much longer!

I'm NO ONE's freakin' puppet!

Please, NO need to respond. I have made my point, and so have you.

Just be sure that you know that Assyrian ART and Artist died a little bit today, and a prominent, talented, and devoted Assyrian businessman let it!



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