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Re: dear concerned
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Saturday, July 22 2006, 18:26:56 (CEST)
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Concerned Assyrian wrote:
>"..then stop calling yourself Christian AND Assyrian...if you refuse to follow the religion of the ASHURians, then stop using their name....you wouldnīt dream of not following the religion of the CHRISTians, thatīs why you call yourself by that name, to show thw world that you DO follow Christ...then stop USING the name of Ashur!"

>***We ASSYRIANS do not rufuse to follow the religion of the Ashurians. The religion of the Ashurians is today Christianity and it is not the worship of Ashur.

...no, It is not. If Jews change to Christ, they canīt say, along with you, "the religion of Jews today is Christianity". Were you born silly or did you work hard to get this way?

You can't except this because you are ignorant and you are obsessed with the notion that one must be a worshipper of Ashur to be an Assyrian.

...you can call me a squirrel too...that doesnīt make me one. Do you suppose you could stick to factual arguments? Mine is not a faith-based identity...I can talk about it rationally...stop hauling in devils and idols and the rest of it. Stay calm.

Perhaps this is a type of your bigotry. Because you chose to folow a pagan religion why should I?

..who asked you to? Just stop using our Heritage.

If I want to be a Christian I will be and you cant take my Assyrianism away from me because I am a Christian.

...you have no Assyrianism...your church has merely tacked on "Assyrian" to itīs religious practises..like it tacked on Assyrian to its name a few years ago...just a cheap trick...like those people are famous for.


Of course I wouldn't dream of following another religion,

..of course not. Thatīs what every Assyrian said when the first Christian converts from Judaism came trying to "win converts". What would you have expected from the Assyrians? That at the first sight of a bedraggled Jew they would have changed religions? Are you nuts?


I am a devout Christian. I am happy to show the world that I follow Christ because he is the Saviour.

...hasnīt saved your arse for beans.

The Assyrian name is not only for worshippers of Ashur!

...Well, then, Christianity is certainly only for the worshippers of Christ..only those who worship the Buddha are called Buddhists...and only those who worship Ashur (though we donīt do it your primitive ways) can be called Assyrians. I donīt see why this is so hard for you to grasp...well, yes I do. But there is no need to embarrass you further.
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>"there is no Assyrian ethnicity...that ended long long ago...tell me at what university you studied that?"

>***You are deluded.

...name the university.

You are such a hater of Assyrians who are Christians


..I donīt hate. I didnīt call you a devil worshipper...I got that from you. And you claim that the Assyrians are your ANTECEDENTS? would you call your grandmother a devil worshipper if she remained true to HER god...the god of the Assyrians...Ashur? Why the hell would ANY People, but especially the Assyrians, switch to the god of other people..the Hebrews ESPECIALLY...it is a lie your church tells you to make you think the people of Ashurbanipal SAW THE TRUE LIGHT...coming from a sheepshit infested hillside in JERUSALEM...where everybody was DESPERATE to get off and go to a heaven anywhere...whereas the Assyrians had built heaven already...in Nineveh!

that you have decided to say that if they don't worship Ashur they are not Assyrians and they are not entitled to use the Assyrian name as a definition of their ethnicity.

..of course not. You cannot simply pluck ethnicties and heritages from thin air.

Go and ask any university professor in Assyrianism at any University and they will tell you that the Assyrian ethnicity is still alive today.

...university professors are notorious for being wrong all over the place...travel back in time and see what screwy notions were taught at universities..of course back then THEY thought they knew the truth...professors at your kinds of universities, who specialize in Assyrianism happen to be either Christian or Jewish..it suits them as well to believe the Assyrians LEAPT into either one of their religions...you see the dangers of believing professors? Try thinking for yourself for a change.

..it has never happend in all of hisotry that ANY ethnic people have dumped their gods for those of anyone else...never.
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>"...but not Muslim, right? According to YOUR goofy notion of what an "Assyrian" it is...to be "Assyrian" you have to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior (gag), you have to believe the acts of the aposles, you have to take communion and lord knows what other voodoo...now, you tell ME which Muslim or Buddhist is going to be that kind of "Assyrian"? Sure, anyone can be "Assyrian",...if theyīll just become CHRISTIAN...and what does that do to your definition of "ethnicity"? Can anyone of any other ethnicity become Assyrian...even by becomming Christian?"

>***This is the facade in your mind which you have associated with Assyrians. Of course it is undeniable that Assyrians of today are weary towards those who chose Islam due to the death and destruction Muslims have brought to our nationality.

...excuse me? Which religion had something called the Crusades? And which religion is over there right now murdering innocent civilians? Which religion just now finished starving to death over 700,000 Iraqi children UNDER the age of five...some 30,000 of which just happened to be Christian?

...no one has destroyed like Christians have...no one. No one has killed more Christians than Christians have...ask your professors.

An Assyrian can be a muslim or a member of any other religion and remain an Assyrian. Whether he/she will be outcasted by their Assyrian countrymen is not the point. Technically an Assyrian can belong to any religion. One does not have to be a Christian to be an Assyrian. The Christian rites are not "voodoo" as you unashamadly say. What is voodoo is when you worship statues and your pagan God Ashur and your 15 Gods of the world.

...there you go again. You pretend to be open and inclusive, but canīt help rearing back on your hindquarters at the end and come up with this stuff...your religion enshrines two of the most odious practices the world has ever condemned...cannibalism and vampirism...your religion is the ONLY religion on earth that makes a ritual out of eating human flesh and drinking human blood...of course you call it "symbollic",...but what does that prove except you have sick minds one step removed from ACTUALLY doing such things...what if there was a religion of SYMBOLLIC pederasty, something right up there for being disgusting along with cannibalism and vampirism...what if their "church service" consisted of hoisting a SYMBOLLIC childīs body in the air, in front of a congregartion which included children..and having the "priest" stick a SYMBOLLIC phallus into the childīs SYMBOLLIC rectum? Feel any better...because itīs SYMBOLLIC"?...this is the way the world views your religion....why on earth choose THESE horrendous acts as part of your "devotion"?

No one has killed more Protestants than Catholics...should the French Protestants NEVER FORGET and NEVER FORGIVE and forever remain WARY of French Catholics?

...grow up.
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>"...no such thing happened....never, in all of history has ANY People turned en masse to another religion...this is a pretty fiction of your church. Not even the Jews all rushed to embrace Christianity and they SAW and heard Jesus...you have no basis in fact to believe this...so you do."

>***You are a lier who is kidding yourself.

,,I have pimples too...is this really to the point?

The smart Assyrians of Edessa converted to Christianity with their King Abgar Ukama and as much as you say it didn't happen I will tell you that you are nuts!

...The Abgar myth is the biggest and nastiest lie of all. In the first place Jesus was NOT a Christian when he lived..he had no such concept, he was a Jew,. so were his parents, his GOD, his followers etc...the term Christian appears almost a hundred years AFTER the murder of Jesus....so for an Assyrian "king" to call on Jesus for help means he was calling on a Jew...which is a Jewīs way of getting revenge on Assyrians, by claiming Ashur was impotant and couldnīt help Abgar get rid of his syphillus...because he was a weak and useless god..so Abgar, the Assyrian, had to call on a JEW and get HIS god to cure him...and you believe this?

...You see...you see what kind of self-hatred youīre filled with? You may detect what you call "hate" in my words against Christianity, as a religion..I have nothibng but profound respect for Jesus, the man...but you will NOT detect an iota of self-hatred..of any hatred towards the god of my-SELF...in fact, you foolishly call that "Hubris"!!! Go figure!

..besides which, despite the churchīs lies, Jesus was not famous or known anywhere outside of a few villages...there were countless Messiahs back then...a new one came along every other week...there was no reason for anyone to take especial note of Jesus...none at all..of course, YOU believe he was the best thing since sliced bread and that EVERYONE heard of him. There were no post offices back then...no newspapers...no way word would have gotten to Abgar...the whole thing is just the sort of thing people who believe they will live on a cloud someday WOULD believe.

The Abgar story is intended to instil disrespect and hatred towrads the god of ourSELVES..it would be similar to convincing Africans that their gods didnīt work any longer and an ancient king turned to JESUS...what African in his right mnd would believe such a thing?

So stop reiterating this point, I get it ... you dont beleive it happened and you are wrong.

...how simple. Your church settled most disputes with the stake or prison...you canīt do that anymore..but the intellectual level is the same.
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>"...first of all it isnīt a pagan religion...there are fifteen gods around the world today..there has never been ONE god and there never will be, The Christians have tried to murder everyone into Christ but it hasnīt worked...well...can Christian worship anyone OTHER thna Christ?"

>***I couldn't give a damn on how many "Gods" you worship!

,,I didnīt mean me....I said there are MANY gods today...followed and believed in by millions of people...of course YOU think youīrs is the ONLY one...thatīs the trademark of you "one-god" people...you mean YOURS! You are intolerant and filled with hatred towards those who refuse to believe as you do...the pagans were much more accepting..and while weīre on the subject, you can thank the Muslims for SAVING your religion...had they not conquered Mesopotamia, the Byzantine Romans surely would have..and they would have killed you as Heretics...neither the pagan Sassanians nor the monotheistic Muslims cared WHICH version of Jesus you believed in...so long as you stopped killing each other over it....the Muslims allowedd any and all religious sects to survive...you owe them your very religion. We all know what Rome or Constantinople would have done to you.

From the beggining of time, regardless of what your scientists tell you, God has existed and he is one God,

...no scientist has ever denied a god...they simply arenīt as murderously sure as the rest of you that he has to be YOUR god.

the alpha and the omega. Before you shoot your mouth off at Christians ask the Muslims how they got millions to convert to their religion.

...why donīt you? Most likely Assyrians recognized themselves in Islam..far more than they did in Judaism..for one thing Islam espoused the martial qualities so much a part of Nineveh...we can see in the great empire the Muslims built that the Assyrians and others of that region played the major role...they JOINED up and built again..while you Christians "translated" and worked FOR them! You impressed no one with your religion..even though you were given a free hand in pagan lands...far more than YOU would have ever given any pagans.

...which raises an interesting point...no doubt you believe it was taxes, the jizya, that "forced" Christian to convert to Islam...yet how can that be? In the first place the tax was very mild and all poor people were excused..plus which Christians didnīt have to go fight Muslim wars..I know LOTS of people who would have pauid such a tax GLADLY in the 60s.

...but what kind of "devotion" is it when those famous martyrs (another batch of lies) allowed their children to have their throats slit, rather than deny Christ...and yet the PARENTS converted to Islam, effectively denying Christ...because of a TAX???? Come on...THINK!!!!
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>"...no, they did not."
>***Yes they did.

...did not!!!! This is what Christian "intellectuals" act like in the end.
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>"...he is not former at all."

>***He is former indeed. No one worships your fake God today


..he couldnīt have been a fake..look at all the Assyrians accomplished under his guidance and inspiration...you DO use a wheeled vehicle do you not..or are wheels the work of the DEVIL? If your Jesus is supposed to "save" you, Iīd ask for a refund. You people have done nothing but get chased from pillar to post by every boy scout troop to come along..this is being "saved"?

... only you and those among you who have no sense to see Christ and His Life Giving words.

...I know all about them..but you have to be raised in that nonsense to buy it,...they have to get you early and stuff you...you could have been made into ANY sort of believer of ANY religion...for you have not the capacity to THINK for yourself...and of each religion you would have repeated, as per your preists, "but this is the TRUE the ONLY one"!

..I was born into a Christian family...fed all the same nonsense...but it never made any sense..because it HAS no sense..it has to be taken on faith..and I donīt sport that sort of faith...I donīt buy bridges either, I donīt care how good a deal Iīm offered.

...In the end, youīre just a little child afraid of the dark...afraid of death...so you were easily made ripe to believe youīd get the greatest GOODIE of them all..if only youīd bow and scrape..that is: youīd get to live FOREVER. Just to show how silly this "gift" is,...do you imagine living forever is a GOOD thing? Why?...how? Tell me what you enjoy doing the most and imagine doing it for ten thousand years? See what I mean?
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>"...you are just Tricky..and that isnīt a real religion.



You merely cut and fit things to suit yourself..like Hanna said, "we have our own dictionary"."

>***Don't tell us how to run our religion.

...I donīt. Just stop using the Assyrian name and Heritage to lend some polish to what has been a dismal showing all these years...which you all blame on everyone else BUT yourselves...so die already!...go up there and get your reward...why are you wasting your time here in the basement when the Penthouse is ready and waiting?



Worry about your own, whatever it is.

...I donīt worry about anything. Iīm simply an Assyrian...and you donīt know what to do since youīve never run across one who was willing to make himself known to you....Iīm hardly the only one.
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>"...make it...I do."
>***I am sure you do spend time spreading your evil propoganda against Assyrians, Christians and all those who are not you or do not agree with your opinions.

...I donīt see anything Evil at all...certainly not in thinking and speaking freely....unless freedom is an evil to you.



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