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Re: how we learn to hate whom we hate...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Tuesday, January 24 2006, 22:45:31 (CET)
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Don wrote:
>Whoa whoa whoa Farid. Here are you HIGHLIGHTING text again. I would really like it if you stopped doing that. You accuse others of highlighting events yet you do the same to other people. Did you not read my mentioning Agha Putrus was poisoned by the French (who were nominally CHRISTIAN)?

...there`s no evidence anywhere that he was poisoned...my great uncle Babajan Malik was his personal bodyguard from the beginning and commanded a troop of guards...Babajan went to Paris in exile with Agha Petrous and lived with him in the chateux the French gave him till he died...after which he moved to Chicago...if anyone knew of poison, his bodyguard of 20 some years would have mentioned it.


Did you not read into my distaste for the West who used the rule of divide and conquer to come divide us Assyrians into the Assyrian Christians and Assyrian Muslims

...it`s funny then that you should praise Assyrians for being divided from Ashur...I know, I know...Ashur and Jesus are ONE. Well then why can`t east and west be ONE?

(further dividing us by forcing the term "Arab" to be developed into an ethnicity)? Did you not read my distaste that the Assyrian Christians bought INTO the West's flattery and lies and in doing so sealed their own fate of a lifetime of hatred between them and the non-Christian (atheist or muslim) Assyrians of what is now called Iraq? Read the CONTEXT of my post...you'll see I only brought up the Mar Shimun Benyamin assassination b/c you were repeatedly denying killings. I feel as though you give the appearance of being objective (and you actually can be), but that really you have your own bias and leanings.

...who doesn`t. I don`t like selective hatred or love. If you`re going to ONLY mention Muslims killing Christians when you think of tragedies...then you`re oblivious to how many MORE Christians Christians have killed...including their own patriarch.
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>Shit...just when I think you're different from the others you go and point out stupid shit like they do to make a point. And while many of your points are good...you're really just highlighting and picking and choosing certain points you think stick out so you can further your own agenda.


...I never made a secret of my agenda..it is to bring into the open the fact that Iraqis are ALL descended from the ancients...that whatever religion Assyrians adopted after Ashur makes no difference...HOWEVER, it is YOU Christians who`ve betrayed us to the west repeatedly..it is Christians who keep mentioning the "crimes" of Islam without addmitting to the ten thousand WORSE crimes of Christianity...through all of this...the churches in Iraq are STILL there! While in America EVERY Muslim charity has been closed because it gives "aid" to the enemy...Iraqis, Muslims especially, have bent over backwards to be tolerant and understanding and respectful...yet you Christians have tried their patience to the breaking point..as you finally managed to drive Palestinians to desperation for which, in true Christian fashion, you turn around and blame THEM!

I asked why you neglected to mention the far more startling fact that a CHRISTIAN killed a PATRIRCH...rather than rush to the MUSLIM who did...a question you still haven`t answered....understand one thing...I am not looking for friends...you aren`t the first to try to "befriend" me...not interested...I am doing my OWN thing...you do your`s...I`ll do as I please..if you can use REASON to show ehere I`m mistaken..please do and power to you...but your "chagrin" that I don`t behave as YOU think I should means absolutely nothing at all.

Just like our people bought into the BS of the west and started hating each other (e.g. Muslims and Christians) - you're now teaching people to hate Christianity or Christians simply b/c of their affiliation.

..it is Christianity that hates...not I. It is Christianity that hated Jews enough to murder six million of them..and it is Christianity again that has mounted another Crusade against the Holy Land of BetNahrain...NOT Jerusalem...if what your religion has done is hateful...thenblame it...not me for pointing out the amount of murder it has taken to maintain this religion of "love".

I was going to save this comment for another post I was going to address at you soon when my semester ends, but I'm going to pose it right now since you seem to be all-knowing:

...your sarcasm had best be saved...I fear me if we go down that path you won`t like it.
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>Everyone else (or the majority of the "leaders") has failed at leading. Additionally, our "academics" and "intellectuals," who are supposed to give ideas to our people which can help lead/guide them, have failed at doing the same.

...because you label something "leader" doesn`t mean it is...same with "intellectual"...there are no intellectuals who can believe Assyrians converted to Christianity willingly...when we KNOW what Christianity had to do in the rest of the world to FORCE people into the church...you just use these terms like they mean what you think they do.

You found your niche in critiquing people, ideas, events, etc, but what do you have as a plan of action - as recourse/solution?


...not a damn thing..and I don`t need to. Any "paln of action" would find Christians on their knees anyway. Change, real change, comes about slowly...takes time to build up from within...I`m not interested in your chort sightedness...we first have to clear away the rot...to build anything on this crumbling nonsense of "Assyrians are REAL Christians" will only get us more of what you see already...my plan is to ask questions...to shine a light...to hold a mirror up..if you don`t like whay you see in my mirror...look elsewhere.

This is the most important thing I've seen our people fail at - REPEATEDLY. Go on prophet, solve our problems like our ancestors used to.

...this is chilish...go get fourteen degrees and come back...like that will change anything. My questions are just that...questions. I`m not so foolish as to suggest anything for Christians to do...except for one...get the fuck OUT of BetNahrain...all of you! You have been a corrosive influence since the Iraqis first let you in...those Assyrians who value Iraq MORE than they do Jerusalem are welcome and they are the ones who`ve stuck it out this long..while the rest of you have run to the west where the "bad" Christians are, who employ you, teach you, whom you pay taxes to and USE to attack BetNahrain through.
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>In my eyes, you will be different - a true revolutionary like you want to be


...how do you know what I want to be..or am? Are you clairvoyant? Is this like you KNOW what god wants??? Where do you come off scolding me...or finding that I am less than what YOU think I should be? Look to yourself.

- when you stop picking wounds and give us less enlightened people (since you're older and wiser) a solid plan

...I`m not your nanny...I`m not your inspiration...I`m not your leader...I`m not your guru...I write and think outloud...that`s all. Make your own plan.

(or if you're going to pick wounds as you're free to do, at least do both by offering a plan). As of right now (this post of yours), you remind me of most other middle/upper middle-aged Assyrian males and this kind of stuff is exactly what makes the younger people not give a shit about making a difference.

..ask me if I give shit about the "younger people"...go on...ask.


>Peace.



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