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Re: how we learn to hate whom we hate...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, January 25 2006, 15:56:33 (CET)
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Don wrote:
>To answer you simply:
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>When your own kill your own, that implies treachery, hate, etc. etc.

..and your religion could NOT have even started had not Jesus been BETRAYED and then murdered...although you hypocritically blame Judas when, without his treachery, YOU would have no heaven to look forward to...how`s that for being FORMED in treachery?

Is it sad that a religion that was supposed to promote peace was manipulated and used to massacre millions? Yes.

...Jesus did not start a "religion". That was done TO him. Jesus said nothing any different than what had been said in Nineveh and BetNahrain for centuries before he learned it. You all go on and ON about the "message" of Jesus and not a ONE of you, including you, can tell us WHAT the message was.

...are you saying there was no love in BetNahrain? Are you saying Assyrian parents beat and starved and strangled their children and children kicked their parents and burned them alive..are you saying Assyrians promoted rape and robbery and incest and human sacrifice...that Assyrians were selfish until Jesus came to discover "self-sacrifice"? Just what is this MESSAGE you all hint at but no one can explain in plain English?

...this religion was built up ON the corpse of Jesus and it NEEDED his murdered corpse, a natural death would NOT do...you all know he would scorn it in a minute, including your version of it, if he ever came back.

...Jesus was made into a Roman...he was envisoned as the Emperor of Emperors..who would ride back on a white horse and lead armies to more bloodshed..his "message" was honed by the Romans...his message was used to enslave the minds and souls of millions of people who never heard of him and never wanted to, but who were FORCED to accept his "message"...as if THEY had never heard of love before...are you serious???

...look at Afro-Americans and native people in the New World and you`ll KNOW how the message "was spread"...they did NOT leap into Jesus...they were DRAGGED...the Black Americans...here in America because Christians dragged them here...unaware of their roots, their souls but instead forced by the white slaver to chant and pray to a white man`s god who JUSTIFIED their slavery..so long as they were "brought to Jesus". Look at them, praying to the lord of their destruction and you have your answer to the question, "how could it be that the Assyrians...the ASSYRIANS, not Bushmen or Hottentots from darkest African jungles, could have WILLINGLY come to a Jew religion..when the people of Jesus REFUSED it...how could Assyrians have left their sublime religion and culture, the one that TAUGHT Jesus...for this "message" that has done nothing but degrade them even while it made them grovel, gladly, in the dust.

...the RELIGION of Jesus is the religion of the Romans..it is the Imperial Religion of an empire, useful because it preached giving Caesar what belongs to Caesar..which is basically your blood, sweat, bones, dicks and hopes...after that, you can KEEP what`s left...Caesar won`t mind. The religion is NOT one of love but of bloodlust...of stealing what you want..of killing the Innocent IF you can profit big-time..as the human sacrifice of Jesus was the ONLY way you could get your BIG TREAT. When will you stop repeating this bilge as if you`re set on automatic and start to THINK...like a human bean is supposed to? Till then you`re about as bright as a horse who tries to fly, or a bird that wants to canter...leave flight to the birds...leave galloping to the horse...and start doing what a human ought..which is not to REPEAT....but to THINK!

..and don`t tell me again how your religion is of the EAST and not Roman...because I`ll remind you that there was a Roman Empire in the EAST as well..and that the "message of Jesus", allowed that branch of the empire to murder along for another 1200 YEARS, till the Muslims put it out of opur misery...but not before the western Christians didn`t attack IT!!! Your religion is a religion of sharks on a feeding frensy who snap at everything in sight and lop their own tails into the bargain. so maddened are they by the smell of blood and potential GOODS!
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>Course of action? Something extreme. Farid, let's put it this way...if you wanted to end this killing, it would require the same thing being done to everyone else right now - which is killing.

...I wouldn`t lift a finger to end anything...I`m merely commenting...think of me as a Martain come to earth who`s reacting to what he hears and sees.

It would require one to kill the killers. All we end with is more killing. There is no way to end it.

...that`s pure nonsense...you`re so steeped in killing...starting with the LOVE you claim came to you because Jesus was KILLED...your religion STARTS in murder...naturally, when you`re greatest benefit, your eternal life of boredom, can ONLY come to you through murder...naturally you will need murder to eat breakfast...murder to wash your clothes, murder to get a job...all you will see is murder..all you will know is murder...for without murder...there would be no religion of LOVE for you...had Jesus NOT been killed...had he lived an ordinary life and died in bed surrounded by his family and friends...as Muhammad did...then, even though all his same words would be just as wonderful...YOU would not get into PARADISE...if the GREATEST gift to you could ONLY come to you through the murder of Innocents...why would you ever see anything else BUT murder as a way of achieving all the lesser things on earth...like Peace, for instance. No wonder your answer to murder is murder..because your answer to "what is there" and the means of achieving the thing you MOST cherish is ALSO through murder.

Should this world be around for another few thousands, millions, or billions of years, and should Christianity, Islam, etc. not be around then, there will be other religions around that will be prostituted and used to kill.

...no there won`t be. Islam is here right now...you tell me when Islam has done ANYTHING like what Christianity has for the last 100 years..just the LAST 100...go on...TELL us! The fact that you would even put Islam and Christianity together in the same sentence and expect that I would NOT ctach you at it shows what your religion is made of...Islam fought for its life in the beginning, 1400 years ago...because Christianity, for one, came gunning for it almost immediately...after defeating the murderous Christians, Islam went on to civilize darkest, savage, Christian Europe by taking the gifts of BetNahrain, not Jerusalem...to Spain, where they percolated into the rest of Europe...

...Christianity had nothing to fear from Islam...only when the Christians showed they were capable of attacking innocent people, "for their Lord"...as they are STILL doing...did Islam react with violence back. You even neglect to mention that the Christians killed in the Ottoman Empire came ONLY when Christians, once again, started another Crusade against Turkey..this time not for the jewels and trade routes of Palestine but for OIL...and they`re STILL at it...therefore, if you would be honest, when discussing murder, do NOT place Islam in the same sentence as Christianity...I know you were raised to believe Islam is "violent"...but you Christians were raised to also believe Judaism was "an evil" that must be dealt with FINALLY...and world Christianity is on the march again...and of course, you`re desperate to make Islam out as the "violent" religion when it is YOUR violence that has made the world a butcher shoppe...for your Lord.

So, following this hypothetical you asked me to follow along with and answer, the only course of action would be to ban religion.

...no need to do that...all we need do is take away the tax benefit religions get...they cost the rest of us way too much, there is no reason to underwrite them..and, just as "devout" Christians were "forced" to give up their dear Jesus because Mulims made them pay a nickel a month extra in taxes...(how`s THAT for "devotion")...over half of the Christian "churches" in existence today would fold up and blow away...our Constitution allows freedom of religious practise...and that`s as it should be...but we need to be more vigilant when Christians want to attack the rest of us and use things like "Cultural Humanism", claiming it too is a "religion" and using that to begin this attack on science and rational thought...no need to outlaw it at all...just educate people better.



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