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Posted by beezelbub (Guest) - Sunday, August 28 2005, 1:44:17 (CEST)
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beezelbub wrote:
>...I haven't the time to explore this dasinating glimpse into what these biys call strategy...what they were hoping to gain and HOW...just want to plant it here for now...

...good lord...what a mess...excuse the haste...
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>Re: Theocracy and Democracy in one Constitution? What a Farce!
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>Posted By: FYI (CPE000ae6c87245-CM000a73a1868a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
>Date: Friday, 26 August 2005, at 5:28 p.m.
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>In Response To: Theocracy and Democracy in one Constitution? What a Farce! (Fil)

...I read this briefly at first and it seemed to be begging for analysis for it hints at the weird world view these boys have...how they think things operate and how they SHOULD operate...They make assumptions here that are revealing...
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>Aziza Fil,
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>We knew this all along, the idea was this; all we wanted was first to legitimize our existence “The Assyrian Identity” ,

...according to them, you best do this by talkingalot...and most of the talk is about being Christians...you can understand why the world and Iraqis epecially are confused or don't much care. Just what it will get them once they "prove their legitimate existence" seems to be the crux of both their fantasies and what they think will flow naturally to them from this proof...and since they don't do anything for themselves, what they think will be GIVEN to them if only they make their case.

and get our selves and our rights legitimacy from the “State of Iraq”,

,,,they were never denied anything, neither can they expect anything more than what any citizen gets...they think when they make claims such as "Arabs are usurpers" they are merely stating historical fact...but it's based on such mumbo jumbo that naturaly no one buys it...they can NOT expect to be given the right to claim the land or any part of it...no matter what...no country will tolerate such claims...they are on the face of it ILLEGITIMATE and illegal too. They have a right to be Iraqi citizens and be left alone...like any other citizen, to enjoy the full benefits and incur the obligations of citizenship...no country can allow anything extra to any group...and we know that the vast majority of Christians in Iraq had no difficulty doing this...but they were all deemed "traitors" by these boys...and therefore, according to the boys, you cannot BE a citizen of Iraq AT ALL, without being a traitor to "Assyria"..and being an "Assyrian" you MUST be a traitor to Iraq...a very weird point of view, to say the least.

all we needed is the clear recognition in the Constitution a nation called Assyrian.

...is that "all"? You expect a nation to designate a minority within it a NATION as well? Just where do you get this crazy idea from? You're asking a nation to split itself in two to accomodate YOUR fantasies?

Once we got that we would have taken our case to the UN based on the legitimacy that we got from the Iraqi state constitution ,

...The UN has been able to do nothing for Palestinians making this same claim..in fact the UN TOOK their lands away to make the new state of Israel. The UN has said itself that any people occupying land for 400 years or more are automatically indigenous..and there is no such thing as MORE indigenous. The UN will do nothing for you...and what ever made you think it would?

this would have been all based on legality based on Iraq’s constitution and on the ground that Iraq is a member in the UN, as the Un would endorse the Iraqi constitution.

...that would never happen...no amount of "unity" or conformity on your part would have given you the numbers to enforce this view of yours...in fact and thanks to this war you begged for there are LESS Christians in Iraq today...congratulations.
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>The Assyrian existence and its recognition in the Iraqi constitution as an ethnic identity, is our ticket, a direct claim to Iraq’s “Historical and geographical facts“, an automatic case for indigenous stats,

...no one disputes the original status of the Native Americans...but no one is going to give them any land because of it. You are one ethnic minority within the country...so what? You have the right of any citizen...you will get no more.

because simply no any other ethnics of Iraq in present day and what would have been in the constitution can claim that only the “Assyrians” on a ground that ; Iraq is made of Arabs, Kurds, Turkmans, Assyrians and all others whatever names for the rest, Iraq’s historical and civilization facts are; Sumarians, Akkadian, Babylonians and Assyrians, you see the word ASSYRIAN? Arabs are not calling themselves Sumerians in the constitution neither Kurds and Turkmans, the case would have been that the constitution is recognizing the Assyrians and the word Assyrian a continuation of Assyria and Assyrians its inhabitant, historical and geographical facts and realities.

..what the hell you tried to say is beyond me..but it doean't matter...right? The all-important thing is that you SAY something!

...no one has EVER denied Assyrians lived there once...if you stop there no one has any problems..it's the NEXT step you take that has people laughing. The idea that you and ONLY you are descended DIRECTLY from the ancients..as proved by your CHRISTIANITY, no less, or how much you TALK about it impresses NO ONE.
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>We basically cant take or do anything with the UN with our case, if we don’t have it legitimized within Iraqi LAWS and the state of Iraq constitution.

..you will never do anything WITH it either. Is THIS what all your "hope" and "faith" was pinned on? Next thing you'll be telling us is that you expect to go to jew heaven when you die and live on a cloud. How stupid ARE you?
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>All along we have been saying the word Assyrian is not a name, it is an identity, it is the rights its self, “Land, indigenous and the rest to follow”.

...only laughter follows you, nothing else. That's the reason you have to hide yourselves and protect yourselves...you are all just this side of criminally insane. Your identity is CHRISTIAN...you have no "Assyrian" identity...you have no nation except Christian ones.
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>We wouldn’t care less if Iraq would be an Islamic or a democratic, because by its laws we would have secured our rights and needs as a nation in Iraq.

...there is no nation within a nation...that is absurd and doesn't exist anywhere...and never will. You want SPECIAL status as Christians and you will get none...all you've managed to do over the years since you all ran out is make life increasingly miserable and less secure for Christians in Iraq...all the while expecting to be REWARDED for it...this latest idiocy of bringing majority rule to a nation of Shiia Muslims was the stupidest thing yet...made even worse because others, people who WONT stand up in Iraq and tell the Muslims what YOU want them to...you who are afraid of each other in THIS country...will wind up paying the price for your folly.

...the best thing that can happen is that all Christians, even those who still want to stay, be shown to the door...told to go where they can pray in any way they want...which is ALL being "Assyrian" ever meant to you boys.

Assyrians my arse!

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