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Posted by Tiglath (Guest) - Friday, December 30 2005, 5:09:54 (CET)
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>You're correct about the message being stated before. Ashur stated that message to us. Over many years it was perverted. Yeshua came to renew it. I believe that Yeshua was Ashur. The Eastern Church initially did as well. Why would Abgar Okama (the Assyrian king) have believed in him (and by the way, that was not a biblical writing)? Why did the Assyrian predicters (usually most people refer to them as Magi) predict his birth for years before he was born? These people were Assyrians and for lack of another term were Ashur-ists (of the belief of Ashur). Yeshua was also living in the Galilea area - the place where we know Assyrians lived and still live. It seems fitting that Ashur himself would want to live amongst his own people. I think the reason he preached to the Hebrews first is because they were the ones that needed the change first.

....... Actually our kings were considered Gods on earth and were holy priests who used meditation, represented by the mellamu to meditate and become the God Ashur themselves. The qualities that they sought to acquire were the qualities repreented by the Tree of life depcited by the story of Gilgamesh.

They also followed in the traditional Ishtar Tammuz love story and myth of the seasons, hence the sacred marriage of Ishtar and Tammuz during their resurrection on march 21st where the King representing Tammuz would make love to the virgin high priestess in the templ of marduk and hopefully give birth to an heir 9 months later on December 21st during the birth of the God Tammuz.

So Jesus was following in the footsteps of our Kings and ancestors when he meditated. As for the rest of it the God on earth story and Tammuz-mas and Ishtar traditions they were taken from us and grafted onto this newly discovered Roman religion called Christianity that was used to pacify the Roman Empire.

>-In fact, the early Church of the East writing never used the word "converted." It also documents very well the brutality we suffered under Romans and other westerners. The Church of the East didn't use force to make people "Christians." When the Assyrians went to China, they didn't use force, they just told them about their beliefs and if people wanted to believe, they believed. Actually, many of them did. They built a monument there recognizing that moment. Also, interesting to know about our fathers is their lack of force in carrying out this task. H.E. Mar Gewargis Slewa, an Assyrian Church of the East bishop presiding over Iraq, had gone to China to see the area where the Chinese were told about our beliefs. He was amazed to see a building of Chinese architecture be called a Church by them. He asked them, "this is your church?" They said something like: "Yes, your ancestors were very smart. They didn't come here and try to force us to be something we're not or try to change us. We continued to use our own buildings for worship." I think that's very reasonable thinking our people used and very respectful as well.

.....Actually we did use force according to the quote below:

About 420 an alarmed Zoroastrian high priest came before Yazdegerd to complain that Christian evangelism was inducing mass apostasy from the state religion. The Christian cause was not helped by some arrogant attacks on fire temples by sincere but fanatical Christians, the most violent of whom were often converts from Zoroastrianism. The Shah could scarcely ignore open desecration of the state temples and the destruction of religious peace in his realm. He empowered the Zoroastrian clergy to persuade apostates from the national religion to renounce their conversion to Christianity and return to the faith of the empire "Not, however, by death, but by fear and a certain amount of beating."

A History of Christianity in Asia, Samuel Moffett
Volume 1 - Beginnings to 1500
p. 159, Paragraph 2


....And the reason why we didn't use more force is also well documented.

The Roman Catholic Church became the state religion of the Roman Empire.
The term Pax Romana, was Latin for "the Roman peace", and this long period of "peace" was experienced by states within the Roman Empire not by Christian missionaries walking barefoot to Gaul, but by the fact that Roman rule and its legal system pacified regions which had suffered from the quarrels between rival leaders, forcefully.

And where its army went the priests soon followed and imposed their religion on the people forcefully.

In the East their co-religionsists also courted the Mongols hoping to become the state religion of the entire East. They were in essence attempting to marry into the Mongolian dynasty and form a Pax Mongolica. Moffett admits it right there in his book.

And that's the real reason why the CofE consecrated Mar Yaballaha III - a Mongolian - who ruled the Church of the East from 1281 until his death in 1318. It was not because they were tolerant and open. It was pure and simple opportunism. The same opportunism that saw us give Genghis Khan a Christian woman as one of his wives.

Now imagine the Mongol hordes under the control of the CofE. Now imagine what would've happened to the world if the state religion of the Mongols had been Christianity.

I'm pretty sure that the same Mongol hordes who came back to bite the CofE raising a minuurat of 70,000 heads in Baghdad in 1401 would've eventually gone down the same path of their Western co-religionsist in the West.

There would've been an Inquisition and there would've been pogroms against non-believers and there would've been crimes against humanity committed by the Mongols but supported by the CofE clergy.

Therefore because this did not happen we can only prove that the CofE committed violent attacks and religous intolerance in certain incidents during its long history. Acts that would've set the precedent for even more had their courtship with the Pax Mongolica achieved fruition.

Also the Pax Romana was used by the church to convert all of Europe and beyond to Christianity. In the East likewise the Nestorian priests who travelled to India and China used the Mongolian Empire at the time and the stability it brought with it to spread Christianity.

Therefore Pax Mongolica one of the most bloodiest periods in world history was not only used by the Church of the East to head East BUT the CofE also desperately sought to become the state religion of this vast Empire.



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