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Re: the peaceful Muslims of PANCHO!...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, September 4 2006, 0:35:10 (CEST)
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Ashur wrote:
>This is the way TIGLATH put his question on one condition, to reply YES or NO:

...I think he was striving for concise answers...I've never seen him back away from complete exposure...I'm sure he would have accepted any answer you wished to make...so long as you actually provided an answer....
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>Dear Ashur,
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>Would you please answer YES or NO to the following questions:
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>1. Are you saying that you are unaware of your long 5,000 year-old history in which your people have been known by numerous names starting from Urukian, Sumerian, Ammorite, Akkadian, Babylonian, Chaldean, Assyrian, Arab and Kurd?
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>It may accept to be called Akkadian or AssyrioBabylonian, BUT NEVER ACCEPT the other names period WHICH I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING with them, a case in point ' DO you accept to be called a ' Q.......D '? IF NOT THEN ALL THE ABOVE ARE NOT VALID!

...but WHY aren't they valid? And how can you PROVE that you are Assyrian when the language you speak comes down from the language of Arm...a language both the Hebrews and Egyptians spoke? How does that language PROVE you are Assyrian?
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>2. Are you saying that our people were never known as Arabs under Abbaysid rule?
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>If they were called ARABS, bring that source, as far as I know - AND I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU ALL included PANCHO - that our people were always proud Assyrians, a case in point did you take a look at the article which I wrote and was published by ZENDA MAGAZINE in May about Mar Abdisho Metropolitan of Nsibin and Armenia? I suggest to read it how he was a proud Assyrian and that was about ( 1318 A.D )under the Abbaside Empire.

...who told you he wrote that letter? Do you believe the Shroud of Turin too...do you believe in the Easter Bunny? Do you believe Abgar converted to Christ when Christ himself was a Jew?
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>3. Are you telling us that you are willing to identify with every one of the above identities EXCEPT for Kurd and Arab?
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>I stated clearly above my answer go back and read it again !

...just answer...never mind scolding people.
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>4. Are you telling us that Mustafa Barzani, was not a member of the Tkhuma tribe who became Kurdish when he adopted Islam and left the ACOE?
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>REPLY>
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>At outset your information are DEAD WRONG, Barazani never been of TKHOMA, but a Q ....sh thug who kill in one of his raid three people of TKHOMA one of them was my FAMILY BEST MAN after the MIGHTY TKHOMA gave him refuge from the OTTOMAN TURK who was in their list of WANTED CRIMINALS.

...do you know how many Americans AMERICANS have killed? Do you know how many Frenchmen and women have been killed by Frenchmen....do you know how many Vietnamese have killed Vietnamese...or Chinese killed Chinese? Why does the fact that someone killed an Assyrian mean he could NOT be an Assyrian as well?

...do you know anything at all about the rest of the world and its history? Do you mean to sit there and tell us that just because an Assyrian killed an Assyrian, it is "proof" that the killer could NOT be Assyrian? Have you ever heard of a civl war? Have you heard of religious wars? Have you heard of ANYTHING?


>And it has been said that he was from the family of MATRAN , who converted to Islam, in any way BARZANI is still considered a Q.....sh thug who is plundering our ASSYRIAN people, and what good will be a person like this who think and work for the Q......s and kill Assyrians, LET THEM GO HELL him and any ASSYRIAN who follow him.

...what about all the Assyrians killed by CHRISTIANS? Should Christianity go to hell too because of that?
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>5. Are you telling us that if people change religion that their genetic makeup is also altered?
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>I as Ashur Beth-Shlimon is the first ASSYRIAN ever in history of Assyrianism that MODIFY that term that ASSYRIANS( Assyrian Progressive Nationalist Party- APNP) ARE all the INHABITANTS of ASSYRIA including the ARABIC SPEAKING people, BUT ON ONE CONDITION that they should come forward and DECLARE that openly in masses not as INDIVIDUAL, we appreciate INDIVIDUALS too, but that is not enough to our cause.

...and since all of being "Assyrian" means being Christian...do you REALLY expect other people to convert to Christianity in order to prove to YOU that they have Assyrian roots? You Christians stopped living when Islam conquered you...even in the modern era you hide up in your villages...you refuse to study anything but math and science at universities because YOUR idea of history doesn't match ANY definition accepted by real historians....you kept yourselves apsrt from the mainstream all those centuries..you even brag about denying your own children if they "leave Assyria".

The only modern association you admit to is working to establish the Christian religion...you are proud of running to China and India to spread the word about a jewish sect...meanwhile the Muslim Assyrians were busy building yet another great empire...one which took the arts and knowledge of BetNahrain all the way to Spain, from where they moved on to the rest of Europe...as well as taking them to the New World with the Arab/Spanish conquerors....the Muslim Assyrians have an entire new c hapter in their history to be proud of and to involve themselves in while you Christians, pissed and envious (as you have remained ever since) set yourselves apart from that day to this, refusing to legitimize the "Arab" history of the last 1300 years....so why the hell would a Muslim Assyrian ONLY or even mainly fixate on that distant past...or ignore his own glorious history in the modern era to revel in the CHRISTIAN stage of only a small part of the people and history of BetNahrain....?

..why have YOU not moved on to add and include OTHER phases of the growth and development of BetNahrain? Why do you want to go back a few thousand years to an "Assyria"? Are YOU living in the real world...especially as this new world has produced, not an Assyria, but a Kurdistan? Thanks to the Christians...once again?
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>6. Do you not proudly call yourself an American to others when you travel overseas?
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>REPLY >
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>I am proud of that, but I never said it, where I am NATURALIZED AMERICAN from the ASSYRIAN origin and background.
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>7. Do you think you have a religiously based sense of identity that is laughed at by the rest of secular world?
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>REPLY>
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>I want you to go back to the fifth question , where I answered very clearly that I am the one who came with the NEW ASSYRIAN IDEOLOGY ( apnp ) which is a SECULAR MOVEMENT and not based on religion.

...but your entire claim to being Assyrian is BASED on that religion...previously the word "Assyrian" never entered the religious name or anywhere else...you were Nestorians or Jacobites and all of you with Jewish names to go with your Jewish sect of Christianity...based NOT on the Epic of Gilgamesh or anything else from BetNahrain, but on the BIBLE...a rather mediocre and fanciful book of JEWSIH history stolen, mostly, from US!
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>Tawdie,
>Tiglath

...well, you get credit for answering, at least. As the judge said to Dadeeshoo when he sued the Census Bureau..."your argument is long on rhetoric but very short on logic." Clearly you FEEL very strongly about these things...but then you FEEL very strongly that you will live on a cloud someday...and forever. Put together that way, it's no wonder you think to live in an "Assyria" while on earth.



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