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Posted by Dalale (Guest) - Friday, July 14 2006, 19:56:59 (CEST) from 137.207.120.225 - 137.207.120.225 - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

Abbey=**** The Gnostic Bible.... No one can be sure what Jesus really said or did. Certainly he wouldn’t recognize his church if he returned today. What could his message have been that anyone would have wanted to follow him? Surely the promise of waking up after death and living forever is more a curse than a blessing. **** Jesus message was simply to find the real you, the essence of you, the holy you, within you. While laughing at the 70 virgins Islam promises, Christians haven’t been able to do much better at filling out the details of their heaven. In fact, as Mark Twain points out, there isn’t anything in heaven a Christian enjoys doing on earth. **** Did you know that it is a common act among gurus and spiritual peoples in the Indus Valley today to shed their earthly body and hence connect with their astral and true self? You don't believe me?.. Ask Aryans or Rishi’s living in caves in the Himalaya Mountains. But let’s say that, like the parables, the notion of life everlasting was designed simply to appeal to the kinds of people Jesus dealt with in order to get them looking. **** Jesus just wanted human beings to love their fellow human beings so as not to become corrupted…as human beings today hardly merit the title humanitas. For a harassed populace ground to nothing on earth and cut off early in life, such a promise makes the things you have to do to earn it worthwhile. The Jews had troubles enough. To lay before them an even harder rule to follow, without offering some great compensation would not appeal to many. ****** Yet the rich and the powerful are still miserable? What makes one suspicious is that the Romans became Christian. Something, obviously, had already gone dreadfully wrong. ****** The Mongols wanted to become Christians but the Church of the East didn’t accept them. No sooner did they adopt this religion of peace and love than they set about killing Christians, far more than the Pagan Romans ever had. Until then and for the first 300 years or so, there were all sorts of interpretations of what Jesus meant to say and which was the correct way to follow his precepts. ***** Ask women what Jesus said and meant they will tell you. But at the Council of Nicea, the Roman emperor Constantine ordered the gathered bishops to put together one binding set of rules and interpretations…then the Romans set about killing or jailing anyone who disagreed…ever so slightly. ***** At this same council many written works with Gnostic elements were rejected and considered heresies. It is surprising that the messages hidden within the fourth Gospel in the New Testament went unnoticed. Some biblical scholars believe that the Fourth Gospel was not authored by John but by the apostle Jesus referred to as the “Beloved Disciple” Mary Magdalene as the true founder of the Johannine Community and leader of the early, hidden, and true Church. Mary was after all the first witness to Christ’s resurrection and many of the Apostles were jealous of her believing that Jesus had preferred her over them, which is quite possible, since she was among the disciples who could actually comprehend him. The Apocalypse of John meaning "pulling the cover away from" was and perhaps still is also one of the less favourites books which many in their time have reject due to not being able to comprehend it. Among these is Martin Luther the Protestant revolutionary. In the book of Revelation John addresses the seven churches of Asia Minor: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea (1:4, 11). All of whom are located in what is today Turkey. Near the end of the Revelation he proclaims: “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.” Rev: 22:17 …meaning the Spirit and Women! What was suppressed at that council, offers a clue as to what Jesus might have said and meant…because it should come as no surprise to anyone that the bloody Romans would hardly have taken his correct meaning to heart. ****** Anyone who wants to understand Jesus can, his teachings are very simple, it is also quite easy to complicate Jesus and his teachings as many have done. What they fashioned from the bits and pieces they could use was another emperor…a dictator of people’s private lives and very souls. And to make it clear, they called him by the same name used for the Emperor, Pontifex Maximus. ****** Jesus never abused anyone, they abused his message. As near as I can make out, the Gnostics believe that the message of Jesus was that each person has their god within them and it is their duty to find it…and for that, no priest or church is necessary. ****** Each person having their own god within them is not exactly the message, a better way to put Gnosis is that God is within each person, and this God is common to us all, because when you find the you of you… you find love. It is a personal god, not ready/made and cut to fit for all ages or for all people. People should pay their taxes and obey laws…but spiritual matters were for their own private use and development. If this is true, one can understand why the Romans wanted no part of it to survive. The Romans thrived on order and sameness…requirements for such a vast empire as they had. Such individualized seeking about was not for them. Much later, during the Reformation, when Christians again wished to interpret the words of Jesus for themselves, the Roman Church, this time, went ape shit all over again, as the emperors had, and Protestants were butchered as if they were beef. ******* ……and Protestants murdered hundred of thousands of innocent women during the witch craze, as they almost wiped out the Native Indians of North America, and now are also converting the Kurds to their religion. If I want to be a Protestant or a Born Again I’ll come to you, don’t come to me. If the message of Jesus was that god was between only you and him with no need of any intermediary, then I can understand people being attracted to it. They had enough of priests already and kings and emperors were only growing in numbers. The idea that a harassed soul could look within to find its personal divinity and spark of uniqueness would be appealing as well as a relief. ***** You are a church, you are a temple…... So, I have no doubt there were willing converts…and if indeed there were evangelists, then it was this message that they spread…that your god is within you…seek it out. Instead…what came to be was people telling you that your god must be theirs…or else. Which is still pretty much the method. ***** It’s men who don’t understand Jesus doing these things, not women, women understand Jesus just fine. Its teams of testosterone ganging up against each other until one day one lunatic presses that button to let go that atomic bomb to destroy us all, and then maybe Allah, Ashur, Yahweh will finally be rid of us all. The Romans had a different interest in making Christianity their national, imperial religion. Any religion that told people to be meek and humble..to accept life without complaint…to bank on rewards in an afterlife…rewards that would be greater the more you suffered and endured on earth…rules that forbade stealing or lying or murder and adultery…such rules backed by divine sanction and promising heaven or hell as rewards and punishment must have made Constantine say, “Why didn’t I think of that myself”. ***** That is not Christ’s way nor his message……. Jesus was happy to find himself and rejoiced in what he had found. He didn’t care for earthly things. Just like Thoth left us secrets as to how to reach the dimension of spirit, Jesus did also. The key to all this was that the people were made, from infancy, to believe that men spoke with god and thus could relay his wishes to them…men also empowered by him to punish and reward, not only on earth but up in heaven too. ***** I speak to God, I’m not sure if he always hears me…. God has spoken to me also as I’m sure he has spoken to you and others. This was contrary to the Gnostic belief..and I have to believe, also contrary to what Christ would have wanted. Under no circumstances did he come to strengthen the hand of Rome…which is what happened when the Romans adopted Christianity. It was a little late for the Western empire centered in Rome, but the Eastern Byzantine Empire was able to endure for another 1200 years, till the Ottomans came. Not bad. ***** Rome is the Church of power not the real Church. But even in Rome, though the emperor lost power, the pope, his alter ego, became as powerful, if not more so and even more wealthy than emperors had ever been. To this day, 1700 years later, the church in Rome exerts its influence and rakes in its pence. ***** Did you ever notice how the last Pope in his old dying age was crippled and drooling during his speeches? I remember having a thought once how God punishes people with so much knowledge who don’t use it properly. I will never forget how helpless this Pope looked drooling all over the place. I felt bad for him, but then I remembered the millions of people dieing in Africa of Aids. Christ’s original message may have been appealing. But the message of the popes and their messengers was dreaded and feared by all who came in contact with them…. ****** Did you watch the Passion of the Christ? By the way Gnostic’s believed that the transfiguration of Jesus was not what we think it was. What was happening on the Cross was actually something we can’t quite comprehend. Plato could help in this department…….. Christ’s gentle presence or the words of personal seeking surely attracted many people…but this all ended when the Romans made a franchise of his religion and changed its meaning to suit their empire…from that day forward people had to be beaten and murdered into Christ. The Church downplays this so long as it can stick to the time before there were eyewitnesses…but in Africa, North and South America, Australia, New Zealand, New Guinea as well as many island nations, the real record of how people were “converted” is written in millions of gallons of innocent blood. ******* True …and Muslims did the same to our people. Our own loopy Church of the East may have gotten the message right, as they claim. But the end result doesn’t seem to be to their liking. They seem not to have heard the entire message..which was that the things of this earth do not count for seeking after personal godliness…Christ promised them just what they got…they believed in his teachings and they paid the price for it. It seems that no matter how ready you are to heed the call, there are that many more people who will trample over you as you look within. It was in the cards that “true” Christians would suffer, truly. We can see today the embarrassing spectacle of our “true” Christians having to hide among and beg assistance of the “false” Christians…the Romanized ones who learned a kick-ass Christianity whereas we learned the get-kicked kind. ******* Jesus doesn’t want anyone to trample on you that is why he said, “be as wise as a serpent but as harmless as a dove.” Christ’s kind of Christianity works if you are willing to pay the price. Hardly anyone is or ever was. Even Jesus tried to back out towards the end. ******** What do you think of Metatron? --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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