The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum

=> The Church Fathers, MAN Against The Godess, The Dove, The Queen Of Hea

The Church Fathers, MAN Against The Godess, The Dove, The Queen Of Hea

Posted by Dalale (Guest) - Thursday, May 11 2006, 21:57:39 (CEST) from 137.207.120.224 - 137.207.120.224 - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

Gender Lost in God: By Abbey Mikha The Church Fathers and Man Against The Godess, The Dove, The Queen Of Heaven Picture from http://inanna.virtualave.net/BLR82.jpg (NOTICE, look closely, the most important Sumerian Godess in the Sumerian pantheon is wearing a cross on her chest) Some Information provided from my favourite women’s studies course: Women and Religion Class Test: Women and Religion by Denise Lardner Carmody Instructor: Dr. P. Milne, University of Windsor CHURCH FATHERS Saint Ambrose (ca. 350 ce) -A woman who is a true believer progresses to perfect manhood. John Chrysostom (Ca. 375 ce) -Even women who are beautiful on the outside are full of filth on the inside. -Stresses idea of virginity, marriage last resort only. Saint Augstine (Most important writer of Patristic period) -Tried to integrate Christian Beliefs with Greek Philosophy -Influenced by Plato and Philo -Body/Soul dualism. Women =body=negative Man=Soul=positive. (Different from philosophy of Babai The Great) -Soul: Rational: Man -Body: irrational: Woman -Focused on woman’s Role in sin. “Original Sin” (where the Hebrews translated the cuneiform text wrong) -Thought that women were the visible incarnation of Lust. (I thought Christians don’t believe in incarnation..I think he made a exception for women). -Interpreted Gen 3 (the Fall Story) in terms of sex. -Women tempted man, it was her fault. (although she didn’t even raise an eyebrow). -Regarded women as the carriers of evil and guilt. -That that women on their own are not the image of God. -The male sex is more honourable then the female sex. Characteristic of the Patristic Period -The apocalyptic mentality of the Jesus Movement is lost. -Virginity is encouraged and comes to be regarded as the Christian ideas. -Marriage is not banned or seen as evil but it is regarded as lesser or secondary choice to virginity. -Dualistic thinking becomes deeply ingrained in Christian (western) theology. -Patristic writers repeatedly used Gen 2-3 as a starting point for discussions of women and they use this Biblical story to create theology of women’s secondary and “inferior” nature. -Women’s bodies are seen as evil. -Women are thought to use seduction and deceit to lead men astray. -The good woman (the Virgin Mary) and the bad woman (Eve) paradigm is constructed. -7th century Rome imposed celibacy on its priests. Peter Damian “Peter Damian, an eleventh-century monastic leader and Church reformer, has received a modest place in the historiography of early medieval philosophy because of his little tract De divina omnipotentia. In this work, Damian treats two questions related to the limits of divine power: can God restore virginity to a woman who has lost it, and, can God change the past?” http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/peter-damian/ -This holy man thought that priest wives were, “Bitches, sows, screech owls, blood suckers, harlots, prostitutes, fat pigs, flesh of the devil.” (at that time some priests were still allowed to marry) -Thought celibacy was a good thing. Celibacy is when someone who had sex but not abstained from sex. Saint Thomas Aquinas -Universities are born in this period (in Europe  ) -And these Saints, the Dr’s of the Church are the professors. -Influences by the man who I believe ruined the world, Aristotle. -His question: What is woman’s place in Nature? -Like Augustine, Began from Gen 1-3 but concentrates on where there was a need for the creation of woman. -Thought the only purpose for which women had been created was procreation, because they in essence (he thought) are defective. -He thought women are by nature misbegotten. -If pregnancy goes well, the child will be male and perfect. -If the child is female, it means there was a defective or problem with the pregnancy. Theories of Reproduction Sex Contemplation -Says that the male and the female each contribute half the “seed” needed to produce a child. -First proposed by Empedocles (ca 450 bce) Sex Identity by Aristotle (ca 350 bce) -Says that only the male contributes the “seed” in generation because she was by nature colder than the male. -The female only provides the place for the seed to grow. Fragmentation: Protestant Reformation -First big rupture began with Luther who challenged the Catholic Church’s practices and teachings. -Luther insisted that simple faith, not deeds, was basis for salvation. (Maybe he didn’t have time for deeds because he was busy writing?) -This principle was called Sola Fides. -Luther insisted that the Bible alone, Church traditions, was to be the guide for Christian faith and practice. -This principle was called Sola Scriptura. Martin Luter (1883-1546) “Martin Luther had a small head-start on Tyndale, as Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door. http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/martin-luther.html Thoughts (Also influenced by Aristotle) -Women different from men (I don’t know how he figured this one out) -Different Members -Women had a much “weaker” nature. (I think he was referring to the sensitive loving part girls : ) ) -He thought that Man VS Woman was like Sun VS Moon. (And Christians don’t believe in astrology? ) John Knox (1505-1572) “John Knox 1513-1572 Scottish reformer. Born in Scotland, John Knox was ordained as a Catholic priest between 1530 and 1540. He was converted to Christ after he met two Bible-believing Christians, Wishart and Beacon.” http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=112 John Knox Thoughts -Women should not rule over men -Created Presbyterianism Jhon Calvin (1509-1564) “Born to an upper middle class family in France, John Calvin (the Latinized form of his birth name, Jean Cauvin) emerged as one of the most important figures of the Reformation. http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/calvin.html Jhon Calvins Thoughts from -Husbands can beat wives Women not allowed to leave abusive husbands. Karl Barth (1886-1968) “Karl Barth (pronounced 'Bart') was born in 1886 into a family who had strong links with a conservative group of Christians in the Reformed Church of Switzerland. Yet despite his reformed roots he ended up studying under the fathers of modern Liberal theology (Adolf Von Harnack and Wilhelm Herrmann) and learnt that human experience is the measure of God's Word (the Bible).” http://www.faithnet.org.uk/Theology/barth.htm Karl Barth’s Thoughts -Man is to woman as A is to B -A precedes B and B follows A. -It means super-ordination and sub-ordination Tertullian (213 ce) “Ecclesiastical writer in the second and third centuries, b. probably about 160 at Carthage, being the son of a centurion in the proconsular service.” http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14520c.htm Tertullian’s Thoughts -Women are the devil’s gateway. -Evil placed on shoulders of devil and women. -Responsible for sin and death. (Gen 2:3….translated from cuneiform text wrongly buy Hebrews) -Destroys man who is God’s image. -He also blames women for the death of Jesus. (I thought it was the Romans or The jews, or everyone, but of course he blames women) -De cultu terminate. -Women not in Gods image (although girls, it did say that humans were created in Gods likeness in the Bible, and God in this part of the bible (don’t be lazy read genesis, read about what you perhaps believe falsely) was plural, meaning, in the Bible it said man was created in “our” likeness, so even if man was created in “their” likeness it cant mean that man was created male and female, it means that man meaning woman also, alongside man, and that we were created in “their” likeness. Question: Would the above imply that God is male and female in one, two in one, or two separate? Is gender lost in God? Comment: You think about it, and please be logical (read Genesis), but please not “logical” like Aristotle. My belief: Gender is lost in God, but we were created in “their” likeness, and they are female and male. Origen Origen, most modest of writers, hardly ever alludes to himself in his own works; but Eusebius has devoted to him almost the entire sixth book of "Ecclesiastical History". http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11306b.htm His thoughts from class text -Female body is corrupt -God does not look at what is female or bodily -Christianity influenced here again by Plato and Dr. fool Aristotle. -Souls is good body is bad And there are many more such Church fathers. Hail to all Women around the world. Hail to all the goddesses. (It does sound like the Hail Mary…church goers will send me to hell for saying that.) The Holy Priestess of Heaven I say, "Hail!" to the Holy One who appears in the heavens! I say, "Hail!" to the Holy Priestess of Heaven! I say, "Hail!" to Inanna, Great Lady of Heaven! Holy Torch! You fill the sky with light! You brighten the day at dawn! I say, "Hail!" to Inanna, Great Lady of Heaven! Awesome Lady of the Annuna Gods! Crowned with great horns, You fill the heavens and earth with light! I say, "Hail!" to Inanna, First Daughter of the Moon! Mighty, majestic, and radiant, You shine brilliantly in the evening, You brighten the day at dawn, You stand in the heavens like the sun and the moon, Your wonders are known both above and below, To the greatness of the Holy Priestess of Heaven, To you, Inanna, I sing! --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

The full topic: The Church Fathers, MAN Against The Godess, The Dove, The Queen Of Hea Dalale - Thursday, May 11 2006, 21:57:39 (CEST) Re: Innana Don - 05/12 00:45

Content-length: 11260 Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, applicatio... Accept-encoding: gzip, deflate Accept-language: en-ca Cache-control: no-cache Connection: Keep-Alive Cookie: *hidded* Host: www.insideassyria.com Referer: http://www.insideassyria.com/rkvsf4/rkvsf_core.php?.69Ni. User-agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)

Powered by RedKernel V.S. Forum 1.2.b9