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Re: the long and the short of it...

Posted By: Robert (cache-los-ad05.proxy.aol.com)
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005, at 11:24 a.m.

Pancho, (what a name, are you Mexican?)

Im affraid i dont agree with all your thoughts/ opinions.
Firstly, i dont agree that all the people of Iraq are one.Im Assyrian, im not Armenian, nor am a Khurd.Nothing to do with Religion, i am a totally different 'Race'.

..what did your Christ teach you? Was he a Roman...was HE a Kurd? Didn`t HE tell you we are all one?

...You are a sect...you can prove nothing. "All the people are ONE" means they are IRAQI..and if there is to be peace they must stop rooting for their individual team...you´ll see...this will never end..and since you`re a Christian, you don´t WANT it to end...you want total war...because Jesus will come then.

Secondly for you to state, and i quote "It doesn´t matter at all that Muslims have killed Christians or Jews have killed Hottentots or Christians have killed Christians...they have done this everywhere on earth and most people have gotten over it. Jews have ample reason to hate Christians for eternity..but they don´t. After only a bare 60 years since Christians rounded up and slaughterd six million of them...Jews get along with Christians just fine." JUST FINE???? you must be a fool, for as long as i live, i will tell my children and my childrens children of the Massacres suffered by Assyrians in the Middle East by Muslims.

...what does that do but prove my point? YOU will go on and on about what YOU suffered...I SAID, Jews suffered a LOT more just recently too...and they have moved on. Your suffering is no greater than anyone else`s..but YOUR suffering is the biggest thing in your life. Assyrians suffered no massacres...there were wars and disputes and that has happened EVERYWHERE...in Europe Catholic and Protestant killed each other for generations, right down to Ireland recently...and yet they have put that behind them and look to the future...you suffered nothing special..but you LOVE your losses...you love to sit in the market place and pick at your scabs and, like beggars in India, you will mutiliate your own children just to be sure THEY "know how you suffered"...and for profit as well...because maybe someone passing by will feel sorry for you and give you some pennies...or a country.

Look around the world, who is at war with Jews?, Christians?, MUSLIMS.

...Muslims are historically the best friends and defenders the Jews ever had...it is Christians who`ve taught their children to hate Jews for 1500 years blaming them for killing Christ when it was the Romans who did it...It was Christians who chased Jews around and around until they finally herded them up like animals. Today it is the CHRISTIANS who forced the Holocaust on Jews..and sent the survivors to steal Muslim lands...Palestinians don´t HATE Jews because they ARE Jews...they would hate ANYONE who did what the Jews are doing to them...if the French did what the Israelis have done, the Palestinians would "hate" them too.

..It is because of the Christian Holocaust that Jews were forced to leave for Palestine..had you people left them alone...and NOT killed them and then PAID them and USED them to disrupt the MidEast, there would be no trouble in the MidEast today...out of the ordinary.

Who openly teaches that 'non believers' are enemies of ours? Muslims.

..no they don`t. They say that Jews and Christians are people of the Book and are to be protected...you are confusing that part with what they said about infidels..which means anyone who does NOT believe in that book..the Bible. And that was ages ago...just a few hundred years ago Christians were butchering each other for god...and Christians gave us TWO world wars in which they killed millions upon untold millions of CHRISTIANS.

Christians did not round up jews and kill them, Hitler did.

...I promise you...had Hitler been MUSLIM..you`d never STOP telling your children that Hitler was a REAL Muslim. Hitler was INDEED Christian...he was born Christian and taught as a Christian..your own pope, the last one, went to the wailing wall and begged FORGIVENESS for the crimes committed and taught by the Church all those years that led enough Christians to murder Jews en masse.

...You insist ALL Muslims who are brutal are true MUSLIMS...yet when it comes to a Christian...you forget his religion quickly...you can`t have it both ways...you`re just lying to yourself..and will to your children.

Now your right about saying know one mentions American Christians killing our people, you know why? its war and in war you get casualtys.

...but why not CRY for them too? Is it NOT a tragedy? I said YOU people don´t mention YOUR people when they are killed by CHRISTIANS...I said you only value those of you who are killed by MUSLIMS..that hardly indicates you love ALL your people.

However, let me ask you this, are the Muslims in Iraq at war with the Christians of Iraq? You will say No, but then why have our churches been bombed,

..why have mosques been bombed?

Women and Children kidnapped and killed.

..Muslim women and children have been kidnapped and killed...are you serious? Do you really not know that EVERYONE is being kidnapped and killed? Or do you only count your own as human tragedies? That`s exactly the problem..that´s why people like you will only make things worse and WANT to make them worse. People are being killed for being COLLABORATORS..for working for the American attackers...NOT because of asny other reason...and they are killing Muslims in greater numbers.

If as you claim, all people of Iraq are the same then whats happening?

..have you NEVER heard of a Civil War, OR a Religious War? Did you know there was one in America...and did you know more Americans were killed BY AMERICANS, in that war than have ever been killed in ALL wars of America? Did you know that brother killed brother? What is so odd to you in citizen killing citizen?

do you hear of Mosques being bombed?

..yes , many.

Muslim mothers held in front of the children forced to change Faith or watch their kids die? NO.

...the mothers of 600,000 Iraqi children had to watch their children die from starvation or the effects of easily preventable diseases..and there are born agains over there NOW trying to force change on them. No one is interested in forcibly converting Christians...it is Christians who forcibly converted the people of the New World at the pòint of a sword.

Thirdly "Either ALL the people of Iraq are desecendants of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldians and others of Iraq INCLUDING the Glorious Islamic Empire...or NONE of them are." You could be right into claiming that all the people of Iraq are decendants of the great Assyrians, however you need to teach that to the Muslims, its them that need educating.

...they don´t need the education...you do. They have, in addition to their glorious history as Assyrians, 1400 years of ADDITIONAL history as one of the greastest civilizations ever...far superior to anything in Christian Europe at the time...Muslim Assyrians are NOT fixated on their distant past...but you people stopped living when Islam came to BetNahrain...you refused to join the cutlure and remained in your hill villages where you learned this atrocious stuff you spill now. ALL you have is your distant past..but the silliest thing of all is that YOU want the Muslim Assyrians to convert to YOUR view that the only true Assyrians today are CHRISTIANS..and of course they will never do such a thing. Your history as a Christian is NOT "Assyrian History"...it is the history of Christians who call themselves Assyrians and call their neo-Judaic culture "Assyrian" culture.

Assyrians have been a peace loving people, live and let live, but that has got us knowhere,Assyrians have lived in Iraq far longer than Muslims,

..who killed MarShimmun...a Turk?

...Assyrians have lived longer in Iraq than Christians...neither religion is indigenous to the region. Let the Muslims go back to Arabia and the Christians go back to Israel..and leave us Assyrians in peace.

we want the same rights as all human beings on this earth regardless of Faith.

...you can want lots of things...you can get nothing the Law of a country won´t give you and thanks to the United States..the Christian United States, Christians in Iraq now have to live under Sharia Law...enjoy.

Do you think your brothers and sisters will allow this in the newly formed Iraq? Muslim Kurds, now in Iraq force Assyrians out of their towns so that they can be Khurdish Towns, is that right?

...Israelis forced Palestinians out..if you are in America you are living on the stolen land of Native and indigenous people who were forced out...do YOU think that is right?

So i think you must not come here and preach,

...I`m not Christian...I don`t preach. Seems to me you have plenty of preachers...what are you?

we are a people with a great history, we will not forget what has been done to us,

...you mean your Christian history. Go ahead....remember it...and remember well how many times you`ve placed your faith in foreign Christians and how often you`ve been left to pay the price. You will not go forward or get anywhere...and you aren`t. You`ve done nothing but lose ground and blame others for your own folly.

The North forgave the South after the Civil War...there were many then like you are now, demanding Lincoln exact justice by PUNISHING those who`d been responsible for the costliest war still in American history..but unlike you Lincoln didn´t want to dwell in the past...not even the recent past..he knew that way lay death and destruction and more loss and stagnation...instead he said..."Let us strive to go forward, with malice towards none and charity for all". Lincoln and Americans on BOTH sides had lots to "never forget"...but they knew the poison would just eat away at them more....likewise the South Africans who suffered more than you ever did...they too created a Truth and Reconcilliation Committee when they could have exacted all sorts of revenge and called it justice...and who would have denied them their right? But they didn`t. They forgave and put it past them...because they love their children and want to leave them a brighter future.

neither will my children. A great in justice has come over us, we will not forget.

..you sure forgot soon enough that placing your faith in foreign Christians would only cost you more. I hope your children will reject your hatreds. ALL people have suffered...but not all of them want to pass their hatreds onto their children in the name of "knowing their history".

Our prayers go out to your children. May Ashur guide them and guard them from your Christian ways.

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