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Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, January 23 2006, 16:25:28 (CET) from 201.129.65.204 - dsl-201-129-65-204.prod-infinitum.com.mx Mexico - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

...this is the last part of a long article by a Dr Oddishoo...it is filled with the usual...this part however deserves to be refuted...which is easy enough to do...remember, there were LOTS of doctors and "scholars" who worked for the Nazi party...there were lawyers and men from the intelligentsia..this sort of primal, religious bigotry almost does BETTER in minds which are prone already to believe their own crap...here goes.... Foremost of all, and with the advent of the 21st century, we should learn that there is a desperate need for more solid general knowledge base, followed by general political educational base and crowned with specific political education pertinent to our progressive nationalist awareness. We need to groom high level politicians who have high skills of communication and negotiation. We need thinkers who can deepen and enhance our nationalist progressive ideology and design long-term strategies for implementation. We need to establish think-tanks institutions to guide our political literacy campaign and to replace our crowded chat cafés, pal-talk rooms and idle clubs. ...this has ever been the cry in Assria...you`d think it would have dawned on all our engineers, doctors and accountants that the very "intelligent and educated" people they are yearning for can NOT honestly buy into the ready-made program of nonsense they MUST accept if YOU are to credit them as "real" Assyrians...you are seeking the impossible...ONLY the uneducated but heavily sodomized, by the church, will heed your "call". It will always be that way...just as with the Nazis: there is something INHERENTLY cock-eyed and screwy in this racial bullshit they, and you, spread. It suffoctaes the possibillity of any real intelligence making it up past the fertilizer you call "Assyrianism". • We should learn that we are not important because today we identify ourselves as Chaldeans, Assyrians and Suryanis, but rather because we are the descendants of those giants who built up a civilization and transformed Mesopotamia into the cradle of that civilization. ..that is a palpable lie. Had Jesus been around 2000 years BEFORE, you can bet those "giants" would have built three and a half "monastaries" where they would have wailed and whumped for salvation in ANOTHER world..Nineveh would NEVER have been built and if it had it would have looked depressingly like Jerusalem! ...you MAY be descended from those people but you are NO credit to them..just because YOU believe in a Jew god who will give you something AFTER you die and get off this miserable earth...the Assyrians who converted to Islam, THEY went on to build yet another magnificent civilization, just as their Assyrian ancestors had done...you Christians RAN and have been running since. Consequently the Mesopotamian (Beth Nahrain) umbrella is spacious enough and protective enough to accommodate us all. ...it may be...but then why are you ALL not in BetNahrain? Why do you try to convince yourselves and others that you were forced out, when so MANY have remained and wish they could STILL...Christians who have, or had, NO desire to live in Disneyland...Christians who managed to prosper and own buisnesses and become heads of government agencies and politicians and directors of health departments for Muslims countries? Why? Could it be that ALL you really care about is how prominantly your Jesus can be displayed..and for THAT reason have run to the west where you can be Christian 24 hours a day...and, incidentally, where you`ve discoverd, to your SHOCK, that your children, who are FINALLY "free" to be Christian ALL DAY..could give a SHIT for Jesus??? Let’s, therefore, be and behave as Beth-Nahrainnians first and then as Assyrians, Chaldeans and Suryanis. The Beth Nahrainian umbrella will bring us Unity. It is in reverence of our forefathers– the builders of civilization– that we should unite. ..if you did so you would NOT be cheering on this most brutal and inhumane war against BetNahrain..once AGAIN brought to innocent people by Christians..the people YOU came to hide among. No American would support ANY kind of attack against America by foreigners and Muslims at that and then claim he is proud to love AMERICA! • If we sincerely want to unite, we should find the right path to Unity which requires that we value our Beth Nahrainian identity more than our Assyrian, Chaldean or Suryani one. ...this is code for "Christian" identity...as the Nazis used "racial purity" as preparation for their gas ovens. We should value our Jesus more than our Patriarchs because my Patriarch is mine alone and your Patriarch is yours alone, but Jesus is for all of us. ...Jesus is NOT for all of anybody...Jesus has been STUFFED down people`s throats by the Roman Empire..weat AND east! You are forgetting the vast majority of Assyrians in BetNahrain are MUSLIM..if an "Assyrian" can become Christian and be MORE Assyrian, then there`s no reason an Assyrian can`t be Muslim, or Hindu and not also be MORE Assyrian...look to the DEEDS and not the "talk"..look at the great Islamic Empire centered in Baghdad,,,,NOT Mecca and NOT Jerusalem...look at their record of achievements and you will RECOGNIZE Assyrians of BetNahrain..look at you Christians and YOUR dismal record and you will see Hebrews on SKATES! Jesus was our Unifier, but, sadly, some of our Patriarchs have been our Dividers. Remember the schisms of 431, 451, 1553, 1968 and the one Not-to-be-God-willing of 2005, among others. All these schisms are anti-Christ and anti-Christianity and are created by none other than some of our so-called religious shepherds. It is about time our religious shepherds learned how to preach along the lines of People’s Unity and Church harmony. ...they are NOT anti-Christ..they are EXACTLY what Christ was USED for..to divide people from their OWN religions and gods and cultures...that trend has merely continued to the present day..and Ashur willing you will CONTINUE to shop around for the best "true" Jesus...till there are more sects of you than there are YOU. • In our political dialogue, we should understand that arguments over our Land are more important than arguments over our Name. A People without a Land to dwell on is like a flock of sheep without a pasture. ...get your pasture in America..you have no rights to any in BetNahrain..what you mean is a Christian corral...Christians of Iraq are and have been welcome in Iraq since the Muslim Conquest...but their Christ took a BACK SEAT and that is what has you all so pissed. Besides...a shephard kills his sheep...after milking them and shearing them for their entire life...what a fitting image for what your church has done to you. • When we claim nationalism (Umtanayoota), we should remember that the claim is not realized by words but rather by deeds and not by promises and claims, but rather by achievements, sacrifices and even martyrdom. ...Christian bullshit again...if you can do NOTHING, then go die gloriously...your religion is a religion of death. YOU ran away from martyrdom fast enough...whom do you propose to send back FOR you? If you persist on claiming yourself as Athuraya, Ashuraya, Chaldaya or Suryahana, you have to remember that those are not just names, they are rather your passport to your Beth Nahrainian identity and culture. If you claim to nationalism (Untanayoota), you should not claim your identity as an Arab or Kurd and your native language as Arabic or Kurdish because you are indigenous Beth Nahrainian and your native language is Aramaic not Arabic, Kurdish or Farsi. ..the national identity is IRAQI...get used to it...you are at best a RELIGIOUS sect within Iraq..that is all. You get no "special" rights...especially not in a democracy..remember? Also remember, if you do not know you native language or cannot speak it, you should learn it because it is part and parcel of you nationalist identity. ..it is not..it is your liturgical language..had Jesus spoken Chinese you`d be saying Chinese was the language of "our Lord"...you never say Jesus spoke the language of Ashurbanipal..but that you speak the language of JESUS. When you lost your language you begin to lose part of your national identity. ...no you don`t. There is no "nation" as Assyria and there hasn`t been for millenia...you have a doofus definition of language...imagine me coming up with my OWN definition of what a gastric bypass is..and being allowed to OPERATE on a person`s body..as YOU try to operate on people`s minds with this sodden clap`trap. Stick to what you know. Those schools that ADM has established are not just teaching the native language, they are, more importantly, building and maintaining you native identity. ...and they were shut down by Saddam because they were teaching SEDITION...look it up why don`t you? You can`t teach, in ANY country or language, that the government of your country is ILLEGITIMATE and holds power illegally...you do that in America and the FBI will look up your arse...this is the reason you were "diaspored out on your arse"...or left before the police got you...your suggestion that Christians OVER THERE, already stressed beyond anything YOU ever stood for, should now start all over AGAIN demandsising and meeting and "educating" the NEXT generation of poweless infants this SAME crap is nothing more than your putting into practise your insistance that, if all else "fails"...go get MARTYRED! You are setting up another generation of half-wits and worse, blighted by this nonsense...driven mad by your lies and claims...who will be the objects of the NEXT police action in Iraq. • If any Assyrian Chaldean Suryani party or organization that is contemplating Unity, it should know its political weight and behave accordingly. You cannot pretend what you are not and cannot be, if you insist on pretending then you are no more than Don Quixote who was not strong, but pretended strength and was not a knight, but pretended knighthood. ...take your own advice..the entire world knows there is no chance in hell Assyrians converted ONLY to Christ..learn to live with Muslim Assyrians in peace and you will have no trouble...and never had. You are PRETENDING to be the only certifiable Assyrians when, in truth, you are the LEAST likely candidates for such a lofty designation...just look at the dismal "magazine" you must "publish" this tired old bombast in... I beg you my People to wake up and unify. Do we need more than 612 + 2006 years of sleep? ...you just answered your own question...apparently no wake up call will EVER wake you...except for that last trumpet. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

The full topic: from zindalite... pancho - Monday, January 23 2006, 16:25:28 (CET) Re: from zindalite... Maggie - 01/23 20:35

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