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Written by GS on 23 Dec 2005 05:16:32:

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“...born agains always lie...it`s their way of telling you their "truths". They`ll take the things most known to be true...and claim they are lies...and pawn lies off as the truth.

For instance..in this post by GS grair he tries to poke fun at Saddam...calling HIM the liar…”

“…They never found anything and everyone addmitted there were no links to Osama, remember him...or the Taliban…”

No Saddam is a saint and he never lied. Just like your boy Hitler.

...Hitler was a Christian...like you. Hitler needed excuses to kill Jews...you need them to kill Muslims. Everybody lies...you more than most. No one said Saddam is a saint...but he never starved to death anyone`s babies...ask Madelien Albright...a government official who said 5000 dead children a month was an acceptable US policy...Hitler thought six million dead Jews was good policy too...you are all alike.

“…when he says there were no chemical weapons of mass whatever...and no link to 9/11 or Terrorism of the sort Bush was claiming...and he is right!
Guess who said this quote…”

Here is the part that Babaloon how should I say it’s not that he can’t understand…he won’t understand.

Pay attention. On the issue of Iraq and the 911 connection…Guess what? No one claimed that there was a connection.

...Bush did...and his administration still is...it was this supposed connection, trumpeted by Bush and the rest, that led to some of the worst abuses of Iraqis...American soldiers, lied to by theie president believed they were exacting revenge for 9/11...several had photos showing the collapsing buildings by their bunks...they are still claiming there was a connection. That`s why yopu have to say they are NOT.

You seem to be missing the whole point here. If you want to understand first you have to grasp the concept on the “global war on terror”.

It’s not the global war on Iraq…it’s not the global war on Al Quada. It’s on terror!

The only terror here is what the United States is doing. The Christian murder of six million Jews started the Terror...something they`d been preaching in their churches for over 1500 years...the next step...when they weren`t able to gas all of them, was to place the remnant out on the dessert and then steal it for them from the rightfull owners of land...after that Christians armed and encopuraged the desperate Jews to fight it out...like ancient gladiators used to...they left it to Muslims to kill the Jews for them...the creation of Isarel and the high handed and immoral treatment of the Muslims...no matter how many times the UN sanctioned Israel...is what led to the reaction against the backers and handlers of Israel...had you Christians killed all your Jews, or left them alone...and NOT moved "your problem" onto the inncoent Palestinians, who never harmed or met a European Jew...Muslims would have left you people alone.

It is the world wide Christian Terror and Pogrom against Jews that started this...Muslims travelled nowhere to do harm to anyone..in the last 100 years you Christians have brought repeated wars to the planet killing millions and millions of people...most of them your fellow Christians...name a time in that century when Muslims did the same...you are mad dogs and we need to put you out of our misery.

One can argue that we started or picked up the pace for the fanatics when we went to Iraq. Hello! We were not in Iraq pre 911.

...than what was Rumsfeld and company doing there, selling weapons and poisons to Iraq...and Iran?

Iraq is the front on the global war.

...there is indeed a global war...but it is not the kind one means by "war"...yiou Christians are attacking no armies...no army can stand up to the zillions you`ve robbed from your people to build weapons with...whatever army meets you is defeated in short order...and then you get down to the business at hand..which is making war on civilians...it`s called murder and is a war crime and a crime against humanity...YOU are the Terror...not Islam.

If we are not fighting the terrorist there…we would be fighting them here.

...bullshit. It is because you WERE over there that they came over here...had you not murdered millions of Jews and then stole Muslim lands to house the rest...there would have been no attack on you.

Besides which we heard all this before...we were supposed to be in Vietnam to keep the Vietcong from coming up onto our beaches...try a new lie.

Three years and no hit on U.S soil…why? We are destroying there infrastructure. We killed or captured there top planners. THEY ARE ON THE RUN.

THEY are on the run? You can`t even get an army together and no one is joining the guard...YOU will run. The argument that because there was no attack after 9/11 anything YOU did is the reason is just pure bunk...good salesmanship but sloppy thinking. The fact that you haven`t died yet is because I keep fuking you...therefore thank me for fucking you...my fucks keep you alive. I mean REALLY!

Babaloon brought up a week point on WMD’s. Paraphrasing: “Bush did not find them…he lied and people died”. Same talking point rhetoric coming from the left.

He did lie. They all said they had proof..they had tubes...there were mobile chem labs...etc. Go back and look at the press conferences..there was an IMMINANT danger of a NUCLEAR ATTACK...they said it, not me.

I always have to show Babaloon the way. WMD’s was one of the reasons why we went to Iraq and not the only reason. Iraq broke thirteen UN sanctions.

..Isarel has broken more...so has the United States. Iraq agreed to EVERY condition for inspections...it was Bush who called the UN inspectors back..because he knew there was nothiong for them to find...the head of the delegation said so himself...no one declares war on a nation because it doesn`t listen to the UN..or else war would have been declared on Israel ages ago. No part of the mandate, as Bush calls it, mention going to war over mandates...the American people would NEVER have approved of war on such grounds....else Bush would have settled for that...he knew it wasn`t enough..he knew even such a weak truth as mandates wouldn`t cut it..he knew he HAD to lie.

Saddam shot at our troops while covering the no fly zone.

...while "your" troops were killing civiliand down below...I`m sure you were pissed at Jews for daring to shoot at Nazi troops, also YOUR troops, in the Warsaw ghetto. The United States had no business in Iraq whatsoever.

He violated and kicked out weapons inspectors.

...he didn`t violate any inspectors..and he didn`t kick them out..on the contrary every facility was opened to them...so Bush had to say there were SECRET places...or that the weapons had been moved to Syria..in other words, therew as NOTHING Saddam could do to appease the bloodlust of Christians who were bent on another Crusade...it was Bush who told the inspectors top leave...Saddam wanted them to finish...THEY wanted to finish.

He paid 25k to the families of suicide bombers.

...these are Freedom Fighters...it is support for their loss...we pay special combat pay and offered money rewards for those who would sign on to stay in Iraq longer...where they kill women and children.

He gassed his own people.

..it`s unclear who gassed them...what is clear is that the gas came from America and he was encourgaed to try it out...America has killed its own people too...we used to gas several of them annually..and many were innocent...German Christians killed Jewish Christians...they used gas too. Easy, your enthusiasm for killing another religion is showing.

He killed all of his opponents and put them in mass graves.

...and you have placed 600,000 Iraqi children, who were your enemies too I guess, in the ground...the "mas graves" came about when Shiites listened to America and rose against Sadam, only to have the US withold promised help...like the Brists do all the time...like they did to us...those thousands of rebels were indeed killed...as anyone who takes up arms against America would be...they were buried in mass graves...so what? Are you that concerned for their comfort level?

He aided Zarqawi by letting him go to an Iraqi military hospital to get his leg amputated. No one can go to a military hospital and have Saddam not know about it.

...so what? Why Shouldn`t he help a fellow Muslim? Where do you suppose America got its space engineers from? How many Nazis did we take in and give jobs to and help escape prosecution?

Bush did not lie…he made a mistake on faulty intelligence. His information came from George Tenet a Bill Clinton appointed man to head the CIA.

..it did not. They picked through and ignored several warnings from the CIA and FBI..they were hell bent on believing anybody who told them what they wanted to hear...putting Porter Goss there is exactly what your line of thinking demands...a know incompetant party hack who can USE the CIA to legitimize that lousy intelligence he will now pass on to the president...all intelligence agencies were telling Bush there was NO connection between 9711, the Taliban, Osama and NO nuclear weapons...what Bush did was listen to defectors and paid agents who told him what he wanted to hear...this is all recent history...the sources are all tyhere to prove you wrong...but what do you care..if you lie enough you will believe it yourself.

The worlds intel saw the same thing Bush and Congress saw. Just because the left has a memory relapse…doesn’t mean that it was a lie.

That`s not true at all. They saw only what Bush wanted them to see. The CIA distanced itself from what he was saying early on..that`s why he put Goss there. Just like the "newspapers" you quote...they exist only to spread lies in the guise of "news".

You people are all about wrecking the Federal Government...because its the Feds who ordered school desegregation and Civil Rights and Environmentalñ Protection and equal rights for women...something the states might not have done...at least not most of them. Bush`s real aim is to discredit government..the Federal Government...Porter Goss will now trash the CIA the way Brownie did FEMA and Tomlinson did Public Broadcasting. All across government paryy hacks and born agains are being put in positions they have no qualifications for with the express purpose of making more of us blame government...government is US...or it`s supposed to be.

Here is the analogy I like to use. A few weeks back UCLA and USC were playing against one another. I bet and said that USC will beat UCLA based on the stats the team etc.. Most of the population would have agreed to my assessment. Based on what we knew it was a sure winner. Now if USC ended up losing…would that have made me a liar? NO…everything pointed to USC’s victory. I just effed up.

...brilliant. Buish did NOT fuck up...he knew what he was doing...he made no mistakes...the policy was to sacre the people into gutting their freedoms...handing over not only money but the Bill of Rights...and now we`re allowing Bush to spy on us...you can go on claiming all you want to that all this trickery is what keeps us "safe"...Hitler said the same thing..so did Stalin...so did Saddam. Most Americans just don`t buy it...and are smelling this rat more and more.

That doesn’t mean that going into Iraq was wrong. I think it’s the best thing we ever done.

...sure...because Muslims are being killed. You would have loved the attack on Poland and the Czech Republic too...because it put all those Jews in your ovens. You`re the same miserable creature you were then...a Christian.

”…They never found anything and everyone addmitted there were no links to Osama, remember him...or the Taliban.

Saddam is exactly right...as the world knows. So what can an evangiliar do? He can stand truth on its head and hope enough people buy it….”

No you are wrong!

...so are you.

”These dweebs are the greatest asset we have...they do our work for us.”

I am assuming you are referring to the left.

...they`re the same...you go play with parties..there is one party in America with two faces...we vote for one party...and the two faces are looking more and more like one. I`m not interested in your labels.

“… If there is justice...we will impeach Bush..”

What do you know about justice you ponchanazi?

...I know you`re too afraid to meet face to face...there`s justice in that.

“...he lied to Congress and the American people in order to get them to back his war...

Taking out of the looney left play book. Get your own material.

..it is my own material...

“…resulting in countless deaths and destruction and wasted dollars as well as loss of face for America around the world...”

Like you care you. I bet you would depatrionize in a heartbeat if they were to ask you to pay taxes for your worthless clay.

...you`re babbling more and more...

“…plus which we`ve given the green light to anyone else who wants to pre-emptively murder someone they don`t like. These are felonies bordering on treason…”

Go learn your history before you throw that word treason around.

...I`ll debate history with you any day...any day you can stand on your own. It is indeed treason to lead your nation into war based on lies. Had Americans been told there were NO WMDS, no nuclear bombs just waiting to be launched, no chemical weapons...had they been told the truth and then been told BUT...we want regime change...Saddam is not NICE...he has defied the UN...very few to NONE would have agrred to go to war...you can ask them that today and they`ll tell you these lies were the only reason they agreed.

Support for this stupid war is slipping. There is no winning such a war..not unless you kill everyone. Every one you kill means that many more join the fight...we would do the same if a Muslim nation attacked us...no surprise there.

The Iraqi Freedom Fighters will send America packing...at a terrible cost it`s true...but out they`ll go. They`re already leaving...and the eelctions were a farce and their results will be meaningless...Civil War will continue without the Americans...there is no other way now that America has played its hand...America NEEDS a Devil...Communism was a poor on and it`s gone anyway...there was a Peace Scare...but now the CEOsd and Christians are back on track...how could Orwell have known? Talk about your Prophet!!!

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