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=> in which peter jassim gives up and goes stark, raving, mad.

in which peter jassim gives up and goes stark, raving, mad.
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...it`s nothing but religion all the time...now Peter has blown a fuse and decided that we should just come out and stop this nonsense, called "Assyrianism", and go flat, balls-out, Christian and SAVE THE WORLD!

Excerpted from Peter`s Post at Zinda..just before he levitated:

Islam and Assyria: an Impossible Coexistence

Peter BetBasoo
Chicago

Islam proclaims that once a territory is conquered by Muslims it can never revert to non-Muslim rule. It is this law that even today grieves Muslims for having lost Spain. Very few conquered territories have regained their independence from Islam since the beginning of the Muslim war on the world in 630 A.D.. Those that have succeeded have often faced intense pressure from surrounding Muslim states. New non-Muslim states that have sprung in the heart of "Islamic territory" -- Israel, for example -- have been perennially at defensive war with the surrounding Muslim states.

..Israel didn`t "spring up"..it was imposed by an act of theft by the same Christians who cooked and ate six million Jews. As far as "war on the world"...at last count it was Christian nations, not Muslims, who brought the world two such wars.

Israel's case is instructive. With significant military and monetary support from the Jewish Diaspora and friendly nations, Israel still finds itself in a precarious position. Even the threat of its nuclear arsenal cannot guarantee that a nuclear Muslim state, such as Iran, would be deterred from using such weapons of mass destruction.

...the only ones to use these weapons have been, again, Christians. Israel is an illegal, rogue state. It`s very presence is an affront to international law except international law allows such thefts. Naturally the Palestinians are sensitive to any loss of THEIR triangles.

Because in Islam the Shari'a is the supreme law that cannot be superceded by any other law, be it civil, international or religious,

...America`s laws cannot be superceeded by any international law...any OTHER religious laws, OR any foreign civil laws.

and because the Shari'a does not distinguish between church and state, any land ruled by Shari'a must ipso facto be Islamic in identity and nature.

..once upon a time the popes ruled states...it happens. Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity...go back 700 years in Christian history and see if you would not be burned at a stake somewhere.

The Shari'a effectively and unambiguously defines the political State as Islam and Islam as the political State. There is no distinction between Caesar and God in Islam.

...and there is none in Christianity either....the pope was merely the religious arm of the secular arm...they were one in reality. Christian states are ruled by Christian Law..Muslim states by Muslim Law...if Christians had their way we`d ALL be living under Christian Sharia Law today.

Assyria, the homeland of the Assyrians, has been under Muslim rule for fourteen centuries. Beginning in 630 A.D.,


...so what? You want to deny ALL conquerors their conquests? Then get out out of America for you are illegally occupying Native lands.

when Assyrians comprised 95% of the population in their homelands,

...yes and the majority converted to Islam.

until the present, where the population is 6-8% and dwindling, Assyria has been transformed into a Muslim territory.

...so has every other territory been transformed into something else..in those 2500 years. Only you never change.

The heritage, culture and civilization of Assyrians have been systematically destroyed by violence, oppression, and apostasy forced by the sword and jizya.

...not so...and the Assyrians themselves were no strangers to violence...climb down from the ceiling will you? It was not Islam that converted people by the sword...you sing this song because it`s too embarrassing to admit that Assyrians converted to Islam WITHOUT violence..and that it was you Christians whom history has shown to be the ones who used the sword to convert people. As far as jizya, you`re full of it. The tax was mildly applied most of the time and was nothing more than a poll tax, something very common in all lands...Christians escaped from Christian lands into Muslim lands because the taxes exacted by bishops and kings and popes were ruinous...

At present Assyrians cannot hope to establish a free Assyria even if the opportunity presented itself, for they are too few, divided, powerless and in a state of Diaspora. With a population of 3.5 million in the world, half of which living outside the Assyrian homeland, Assyrians cannot muster the economic, political and military resources to establish a free Assyria,

..they can`t muster those things for a picnic...never mind Assyria.

and even if they could, such a state would come under immediate attack from its Muslim neighbors, the Kurds, Turks, Arabs and Iranians, and likely would not survive a few days beyond its declaration of independence. Islam will not allow Muslim territory to be lost.

..the first to attack it would be Christians from WITHIN..no Muslim would have to lift a finger...you boys would declare a holy civil war-jihad against each other..for the glory of Jesus.

Why, then, do Assyrians fight for an Assyrian state when

...none of you "fought" for anything. You "talkedalot".

-- knowing full well -- this cannot be accomplished in an Islamic Middle East? There can never be a free Assyria so long as Muslims rule our lands.

...what you mean by "Assyria" is Christlandia...and of course no Christian enclave supported yet again by foreign Christians is going to be welcomed among Muslims....what do you think the chances are for a state ruled by Native Americans?

It is time for Assyrian nationalists to wake up from their dogmatic slumber, to shed their delusions, and to realistically reassess and reappraise their national movement. The Assyrian movement to-date has failed to unite the Syriac speaking peoples under one banner. It is now time to retreat from Assyrianism and address fundamental issues that divide our people and threaten the very existence of our nation, to wit: Church fragmentation and Islam.

...this is where he begins to go bonkers for real....

The Assyrian nation is divided into three main sectarian groups, controlled by three theocratic despots who prefer the preservation of their power to the preservation of their nation. They are a far cry from the days of Patriarch Yabalaha, a Mongolian who sacrificed himself for the greater good of the body of Christ. Given the division these Patriarchs are purposely sewing into the Assyrian nation, there is very little hope that Assyrians can unite in pursuit of their dream of Establishing a free Assyria.

...the Christian faith DIVIDED you idiots to begin with...you`ve been murdering each other over Jesus and his mother and father..all of them JEWS and not Christians since before Islam came to declare a truce...by its very nature Christianity is DIVISIVE, as it is MEANT to be...and as any glance at its history would show. It first divides people from their own cultures, religions, languages, traditions, children, families etc...leaving them mere zombies who can be easily controlled with fairy tales. After that first division...the next ones come easily.

The Assyrian masses understand at a basic level, perhaps better than most intellectuals and nationalists, that the dream of a free Assyria is just that, a dream, given the Islamic reality on the Assyrian grounds and the reality of a divided and bereft Assyrian nation.

...okay...so?

In this regard, Assyrian nationalists have set unrealistic goals and expectations and as a result have inadvertently caused damage to their cause by failing to present to the common Assyrian man a realistic political agenda. It is telling that the number of Assyrian political parties is almost equal to the number of their members.

...we were "telling" you this ages ago.

The Assyrian movement, whose goal is to establish a free Assyria, cannot defeat Muslims, and so long as this is so Assyria can never rise. But Assyrians can defeat Islam,

...come AGAIN????

and they can do this with their greatest weapon: the Bible,


...damn...you are seriously fucked. Your "bible" lost you the MidEast to begin with...next it lost you the Crusades...and NOW you want to defeat Islam with it???

which for Assyrians is more powerful than any weapon made by man because it gives us the ideas of universal love, of peace and charity, of mercy and compassion, of forgiveness.

...explain that to the Vietnamese...the Iraqis and millions upon millions of innocent people murdered by Christian nations. You never tire of calling every sectarian conflict anywhere Muslims are involved as a "MUSLIM ACT OF VIOLENCE"...yet NEVER do you refer to the multitude of Christian crimes as CHRISTIAN...they are just "abberations"...or you give them the name of the country they proceed from without ONCE identifying that country as a CHRISTIAN country..or the perpetrators of those crimes as Christians..you only identify the religion where Muslims are concerned...you would have been first in line to join the Nazi Party.

These ideas cannot be defeated by anything that Islam can muster. Christ’s salvation and redemption of man is a pull that cannot be resisted by anyone to which it is applied.

...not when it`s been applied by force..which is the ONLY way you "converted" people. Your OWN fucking "Assyrians" are torn every which way over Christ...and you want to UNITE Islam and the world behind him?

I admonish the leaders of our churches to live the Word of Christ and stop dividing the Assyrians along sectarian lines, for in doing so they are dividing the Body of Christ and not following His message.

...well...you EAT the body of Christ...so what`s wrong with at least dividing it up....a leg for you, an arm for me, before the meal? You want they should all just tear into the WHOLE corpse? Have you no manners?

We cannot fully unite our people under the Assyrian banner, and continuing the attempt only further divides our people along the denominational fault lines. But why continue the attempt at political unification when, even if it succeeds, nothing can come of it so long as Muslims rule our lands?

...you mean you want to unify them along RELGIOUS LINES??? Isn`t this again DIVIDING everyone? Do you read anything but aina?

Those of us who live in the West do not live under the Muslim yoke,

...no, you live on the stolen lands of the indigenous natives, who have had to endure three hundred years of a CHRISTIAN YOKE!...is it "Christian" for you to do so...but Muslims must "return" anything to you?


but we face another danger: the disappearing Christianity in the West, which renders the West vulnerable to Muslim conversion. It is projected that Spain, Sweden and Italy will be majority Muslim within this century.

...so?

I ask you: did we escape from our Muslim occupied lands into the Christian West only to witness the dying faith of our coreligionists, and to see Islam ascendant?


...Hitler said the same thing about Judaism..said it was "ASCENDANT". How many different ways are you filled with racist hatreds?

Do we as Christians and disciples of Christ

...YOU are a "disciple" of Christ? YOU?

not have a duty to re-evangelize the secular West, to bring the Word once again to the people? The only way the West can repel the Islamic Jihad is to have deep religious conviction, to make Christ again an active part of the everyday life of the men of the West.

...holy shit!!! This is almost Medieval! Islamic "jihad"??? WHO has attacked an Islamic state, completely unprovoked, based soley on fantastic lies? WHO? Do you mean America would sit still if an Arab nation backed a tribe of Apaches to seize Texas and paid them to maintain it as a new nation? Would America NOT resist such an attack and theft? Why must Islam or the Palestinians submit? Why were the Jews expected to? Because racists like Peter believe they are superior.

If the West falls to Islam, to what safe harbors can Assyrians sail?

...you will sink each other before your ship ever sails.

We have twice in our 6756 year history changed the face of the world, the first time with our civilization, which was the highest at its time, and which we brought to the barbarians. The second time -- and even bigger -- was with the Word of Christ, which we brought from Cyprus to Mongolia, China, Korea, Japan and the Philippines.

..and they all...ALL rejected it. Is that where you determined failure was even BETTER than success? Because it brought you closer to Christ? The only countries you mention that are Christian today are Cypress (half of it) and the Phillipines and that is ONLY because other Christians came with swords to make it happen..your monks achieved nothing..they were ALLOWED to build their churches and rant their rants...and no one joined up. Everywhere else their message took no hold at all..and it only did to the small extent it did because NON CHRISTIANS were tolerant enough to allow it...you Christians wouldn`t even allow OTHER Christians the freedom to preach Christ...

When Assyrian missionaries traveled the Old Silk Road on their way to China, they embarked in groups which included Jacobites and Nestorians, but they did not travel as Jacobites or Nestorians, they traveled as Christians, and in their evangelical activities they did not distinguish themselves denominationally.

..of course not. That wasn`t the time to show what potential harm lay in this religion of "peace". That would have come later...IF the Chinese had been silly enough to fall for Judaism..I mean HONESTLY! get over it..the world did NOT "take to Christ"...it was brought to its bloody KNEES by Christians...like they did to each OTHER!

It is time for the Assyrian nation to bring the Word of God to the West, because we must save the West for Christ and for us, because we cannot survive if the West falls to Islam. I challenge our Church leaders, our intellectuals, our nationalists, to set aside the political struggle and to apply the full resources of the Assyrian nation to the Christianization of the West. This means that we must not only evangelize the West, but we must fully apply ourselves in defeating Islam, not by the sword, but by the power of Christ’s words. We do so to bring genuine salvation to Muslims, to bring them to the light of Christ.

..he wants to SAVE Muslims!!!

No Assyrian, regardless of denomination, can resist this calling.

..here it begins. Yet another reason to divide further..you are not an "Assyrian" if you resist Peter`s calling.

This is what we must do to unite Jacobites and Nestorians and Chaldeans and Arameans and Maronites. Forget Assyria for now, it is now time to work for Christ.

...holy shit...again!

We must do this because it is our duty to God, for it says in Matthew 12:41, “The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.”

..once again, A Jew is cited to tell "Assyrians" what they must do. Will it never end?

I ask you my brothers and sisters, how can the men of Nineveh rise in judgment if there is no Assyria? And how can there be an Assyria so long as Muslims rule our lands?

...that`s easy..first of all, no one is interested in being judged by you...I mean nobody! Second of all the world has had 2000 plus years of your bible and has managed to remain unimpressed...so, unless you start killing people into Christ outright, again..I see little hope of anything the bible has to offer impressing anyone...especially since this latest Jihad of your`s. And lastly, there is Iraq..it is the modern country where Assyria and Babylonia and Sumer et al USED to be. That is good enough for the majority of Assyrians...you Christians are just pissed because Christ lost the MidEast...

...Peter. Don`t ever grow up..or go away.



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