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the efficacy of prayer and when to betray....

Posted by pancho (Guest) - Thursday, January 19 2006, 16:04:56 (CET) from 201.137.165.142 - dsl-201-137-165-142.prod-infinitum.com.mx Mexico - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

...Don, I don`t want to keep refering to your mother...since mine is going through the same experience, I`ll use her. There are three topics here I wish to focus on...one is the story of Abgar and what I think it really means...the other is the story of the infamous Christian mother who held her son`s throats for the Muslim to slit, rather than renounce Jesus...and the last is my mother and her cancer... The story of Abgar implicates Ashur. Abgar has a disease...Ashur has done nothing for him...he hears of a magic Jew...he writes him a letter...he gets a letter from Jesus and lo and behold his disease is cured and he forces his people to convert to Jesus and away from Ashur. Presumably, had Abgar said something like..."Faith isn`t opportunism...if my belief in my god won`t cure me, then I`ll die faithful in my belief...after all, this could be a TEST". The Assyrian mother who loved Jesus so much she would NOT renounce her faith in him...even though that disease called Murder was staring them in the face...presumably she would have held as steadfastly to Jesus even if it had meant her life...she would have gone down to death, by murder and not disease...but was spared...instead she watched her dear seven sons get butchered...so great was her faith in Jesus...though he didn`t save THEM. We see from these two fables that one should go AWAY from Ashur when it is to one`s benefit...but remain faithful to a JEW, even though it costs Assyria seven sons who could have produced hundreds more Assyrians in several generations...so faith, SOMETIMES, should sustain you no matter what...unless it is a NEW faith AWAY from Ashur..in which case, after your initial treachery and "shopping around", you should NEVER again go shopping, or renounce a JEW god...no matter WHAT it costs you. The twist to these fables is that had Abgar been Christian already...and had Jesus not done a thing for him...as you`ll admit millions die neglected by Jesus...Abgar would be expected NOT to switch from Jesus to ANY god who could have cured him...to be a GOOD Christian, Abgar would have had to kept his faith in Jesus and gone down to death...probably because his faith had not been "strong enough"..in any case, we would have had nothing but scorn for Abgar, the Christian, had he switched at the last minute in order to avoid death...though we praise Abgar the "Assyrian" for doing so...and that mother whom we honor for holding onto Jesus, we would have FLAYED had she clung to Ashur instead of switching to Jesus to save her ASSYRIAN sons... Then we come to my mother and her cancer...if she prays to Jesus and is saved, it is proof of the strength and goodness of not just Jesus, but of her faith in him...however..let`s say my mother is devout..and she prays and prays and nothing works...not even medicine...then she hears of a god in another country who is healing people through his faith...is she tempted? If my mother is devout, should she even CONSIDER praying to this new god? Should she NOT go down with the ship? Should she NOT do as that Assyrian mother did who prefered to see her children killed rather than denounce the god who was GETTING her sons killed for his sake..without lifting a FINGER to help her and them? ...moral...when the fuck should you remain true..and when should you jump ship for your benefit? Is what you GET to determine your "faith"? Apparently so...for "Assyrians". Oddly enough the Hebrews, who gave us this rot...NEVER had a prayer answered! They begged and pleaded and killed their own children as sacrifices to get the attention of yahwe and nothing worked...yet they REMAINED faithful to that putz through all the years he "tested" the crap out of them. ...is it really probable that Assyrians LONGED to become Jews? --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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