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Just Kidding...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Saturday, April 28 2007, 7:23:10 (CEST)
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...I wanted to show you how disappointing it mis when a person phrases questions honestly and thoughtfully and reaches out to people to discuss and consider them seriously, on their merits, without resorting to all the usual nonsense. Pretty silly, no?


And now to give you the attention you deserve...not so much as to show you respect, if nothing else...but to show some self-respect.


Jumblat wrote:
>Pancho :
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>Let me address you and your Dr. John Joseph these simple questions:
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>> For God's sake why Dr. Joseph is suspicious of our Assyrianism as long as we are living in ASSYRIA up to the WWI


...because living in a place doesn't make you the same ethnicity as the people buried under the ground. He raises the question because there are questions to be raised...and no one can give thoughtful and reasoned answeers..the best you'll get is, "we know who we are"? To which the answer is, "obvioiusly not".

> ? While he never saw that in current Israelis who were scattered over 2000 years to claim their ethnicity without a problem with our/ your professor Joseph ?

...This always happens...you have to first DEFINE your terms...and then STICK to them. In the first place, define "ethnicity"...what do you mean by it...what does the English speaking world mean by it...and it's variations. If you mean by ethnicity the cultural habits of a People...then not even a Jew who denies yahweh will be considered a Jew...by other Jews. You can't switch to Allah and claim to be a Jew...because the central point to being a Jew, as it was to being an Assyrian, is believing in the god of the Jews...or the god of the Assyrians..who was Ashur and not Jesus.

...If you mean food and clothing and music...then Kurds are very close to Assyrians. A Jew, living in Israel is a Jew so long as he believes in Yahwe...if he switches to Allah, he can still be an Israeli...but not a Jew any longer.

...The Jews are a speacial case because of one thing: they kept faith with their ancient religion and its holy books and laws. Had Assyrians done that, no matter their hair color, they could claim to be Assyrians today...but they didn't do that.

...as there are Chaldeans with bright red gold hair and blue green eyes, so too are there Jews with the same....those are not necessarily European traits.
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>> Why Dr. Joseph is joining all those being Arabs or Jews who are working hard to discredit the Assyrian people who think of themselves - because there is no nation other than ASSYRIA nation to claim- Assyrians ,

...no one is "working" to deny them....THEY are working to PROVE their claim...at least they try to. The person making the claim has to prove it...especially when there isn't a single Assyrian "thing" the modern Assyrians do...if the Christians of Iraq claim to be Assyrian, no one has to do anything to "prove them wrong"...it is THEY who have to prove their case...and they can't...and never have been able to...and for this reason no one in that region accepts the claim...it isn't because they hate you...or refuse to believe for some secret and strange reason..it's because they know where this and when this came from...it is absurd....especially wyhen you claim that to be Assyrian a person MUST be Christian..or MUST do or say what you think they should....but...since it doesn't matter anywhere, no one wants the headache of proving you "wrong"..they just pat you on the head and move on...in the Christian west they make a big deal over your claism because they are interested in you as a potential fifth column...to be used...that's all.


while he is silence about others , keep in mind that there is no nation pure on the globe ?

...of course not. Why does he have to discuss others? he isn't out to get anyone...you don't need to feel paranoid ALL the time...he was merely struck by what he discovered when reading the history of that region...as a scholar and not a romantic he went looking for evidence..as many have...and he sifted through and evaluated the evidence...not merely accepting what he liked and discarding what he didn't..which is all Aprim does....
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>> What kind of education Dr. Joseph earned that couldn't understand our unique situation or as it was the other Middle Eastern countries and people who were before the EMERGE of nationalism that were seeing themselves Christians, JEWS or Muslims more than their ethnicity ?

...Muslim is a religion...so is Jew and so is Christian....you can be all kinds of ethnicties and be any one of those religions...it isn't easy to earn a doctorate from Princeton University...neither is it a simple matter to teach in college, to publish books etc...REAL books and articles. That by itswelf doesn't make what he writes the truth or accurate...but it gives it a lot more weight than what our nationalists write...in the end one must think...and since none of you will read the book...you have nothing to think about...and all you can think to do is endlessly attack the man for DARING to write such a book...which invalidates all your so-called criticism...showing it to be nothing more than ignorance and wounded pride...false pride.
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>> What kind of education Dr.Joseph earned, that he couldn't investigate our Christian fathers in spite of their CHRISTIANITY they saw themselves proud ASSYRIANS and called ASSYRIA by a nick name ' the centre of knowledge ' I am sure they called its existed people and not the mountains, plains and rocks ?

...that's just the point...they didn't call themselves Assyrians till the Euros showed up in the 19th century...just think of how many times Aprim, and others, have said that the Chaldeans are NOT the same as the ancients..that they were INVENTED by the pope!!! It's the same damn argument, turned aginst you, that your Assyrian identity was likewise invented for you by other Europeans...you all accept it gladly, even desperately, in the case of the "so-called" Chaldeans..but you yell like burnt cats when the same argument is applied to you...a little revealing, don't you think?
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>Finally, yes in the turn of the 19th century keep in mind that over 99% were illiterate Assyrian people, in spite there were all kind of books to be read which shows with pride our ASSYRIAN ISM,

...you have to SHOW them! Not just tell us they exit. I didn't TELL you about Dr Joseph's book...I brought it and quaoted from it and still am. Where are these books? And DON'T send me Syrian manuscripts!


in addition these people were living in ASSYRIA and not in Arabia, Africa or far East.

...it stopped being Assyria long ago. France was once Gaul...but no one calls it that any longer. You can live in Arizona, the land of the Navajo Indians..but that won't make you an ethnic Navajo. Where they lived has nothing to do with it...that region wasa crossroads..people came and settled from all over..it wasn't a mountain village or surrounded by tall mountains....living ON the land proves nothing...nothing at all.


Furthermore, I remember one time Dr. Joseph made a comment that nowadays ASSYRIANS used UN ASSYRIAN names, YES to a degree most of their names are BIBLICAL NAMES and that shows how devoted religious people were, BUT remember that even today are hundreds of ASSYRIAN names are purely Assyrians just to name, BETO, KHAMO , DAMMO and NEMO .

...those are recent....and they don't sound very Assyrian to me...again, you have to define what you mean by Assyrian...at what time?


>If Dr.Joseph thinks , because of usage foreign names, THEN we are not ASSYRIANS, could DR.JOSEPH tell us what NATIONALITY he is - by using ' JOHN JOSEPH ' it is interesting to know.

...He is now an American national...before he was a Persian national, I believe...his religion has remained the same...his ethnicity is Christoian/Persian with components of Kurd and others...we are a mixture of many things...

>And lastly, I advice Dr.Joseph to stop this absurd thinking with due respect and let him think more wisely,

...you are clearly not the person to lecture dr Joseph about wisdom. It is not wise to discuss a book you never read.


the BRITONS were not dumps to call us Assyrians too, because they saw that we are living in ASSYRIA,

...that doesn't connect us to the ancients...for all you know in 1678 every "Assyrian" moved and Siberians came to settle in their place. These people were not born in "Assyria"...they were born in Iraq.

our dress and many things are connecting with our ancient ancestors

...show me any bas-relief that uses such costumes....any at all....besides Kurds dress the same way...this is silly.


more that to be connected with the Israeli propaganda try to suggest and use Dr.Joseph to implement their awkward policies . VIVA ASSYRIA !!!


...what awkward policies? If anyone is in an awkward position it is you...rambling on and on about how great you are and wise and shouting VIVA...as if these things prove or do anything...in fact, all they show is how badly out of it you really are.



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