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Re: Assyrian, Syrian, Asori
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, February 4 2008, 20:24:21 (CET)
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Shlama19 wrote:
>MiniMe wrote:
>>Shlama19
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>>Good, but unfortuntely wasted information, considering the capacity of the two monkeys your talking to...
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>>Besides, with all due respect, your statement here "the Church of the East was given this nickname by its enemies because they had followed Nestorius" is incorrect in the last part of it... The Church of the east and its teaching were in existance hundreds of years before Nestorius was even born...
>>Therefore, the Church of the east did NOT follow Nestorius... Nestorius accepted and believed in the Church of the east's interpretation of the bible, and not Rome's... He was exiled because Rome was (as always)against the church of the east, and therfore against Nestorius...

...you have GOT to put your sources here for these kinds of statements...we have the right to know where you get this information from...I can post, and have several times, historical sources, legitimate ones, telling just when and why and how the term Nesotian was adopted by the Christians, not "Assyrians"...not a sinlge historian calls these people "Assyrians"...but Christians...bu the CHRISTIANS in the Persian empire...if you only have your Christian religion's word for it...that is not good enough. You feel great confidence in people who say they will live on a cloud when they die...or believe in Shrouds of Turin..but I consider such people as unreliable to say the least...give us your sources and let's hope at least one of them is a recognized expert on teh subject and not merely a propagandist for his own church.

...as long as I can remmeber we were Nestorians...said so right up there on our churches...the word "Assyrian" replced it only in 1976...hardly proof that we were ALWAYS Assyrians etc.
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>To be very honest I still don't know what these guys claim, I don't understand it, we claim we're Assyrian, what do they claim? Assyrian? Iraqi? Arab? I simply don't care if you claim if these are all your ancestors I just wanna know what exactly do they say when someone says "What are you?".

...you are Christians of whatever country, REAL country, you were born in./...just as you all brag about being Americans...and then say CHRISTIANS..,.in the same way if you were born in Iraq, you are an Iraqi Christian..if born in Egypt, you are an Egyptian Christian...and so forth. Assyria is NOT a country or a nation...it doesn't matter what YOU think about it...you aren't an official anywhere...your dictates mean nothing in the real worl....if you were born in Iraq, you are an Iraqi Christian...you can SAY that in your distant past you BELIEVE there must have been some Assyrian sentiments because of the way you FEEL about the ancient heritage..,as do ALL Iraqi Muslims...but your history SINCE "turning Christian"...is NOT "Assyrian" history...and has nothing to do with the ancients..not the Christian part of it.
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>Anyways, in regarding to the topic of the Church of the East you are correct since the church traces its roots to Mar Toma the apostle, but what I meant is when the church adopted the concept of Jesus' two natures, and gave Netorious refuge it recieved its Nestorian title from the enemies who did not accept it. In reality the teaching of Christ' two natures in the Church of the East comes from Mar Bawai the Great, but one can argue that it's similar to the teaching of Nestorious.

..you have NO evidence about Mar Toma or any of it...it is YOUR "belief", based on what historians have told you, that it is true...had those historians told you anything different..you'd be telling us about THAT as "fact". All you have is "hearsay" evidence...you CHOOSE to believe what you've HEARD about a Mar Toma...that's hearsay evidence and it isn't acceptable anywhere official and legitimate as evidence...we want to have REAL discussions about REAL things in the REAL world...the rest of you believe you're in Assyria and will next live on a cloud...that's the reason none of you make sense to any but another handful...while every other handful is desperately fighting with all the others...because ALL of you are dealing with fantasies in place of facts.

...I told you that anyone born in a city called Nineveh or Milwaukee does not BECOME Assyrian or a Native American Indian...that is a FACT, not a fantasy....and these are xactly the kinds of factual, easy to understand things you people can't handle and try to avoid like the plague...one guy here is obcessed with virgin monkeys...and you "know" what some guy supposedly said 2000 years ago....give us a break.
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>Btw, I don't understand this website, is the art section supposed to be funny? this is really disgusting and only a sick person in the head could draw such things.

...see what I mean? Because YOU don't find it funny...it HAS to be "sick". I think teaching children cannibalism is sick...I thinl teaching vampirism is sick..I think hanging miniature instruments of torture and murder, like crosses or machine guns or knives or hanfman's nooses, is sick...I thinkl hanging a cadaver with a bleeding heart and gashes and painted blood on it above an altar of WORSHIP is incredibly sick...yet when I DRAW what your church TEACHES...I become the SICK one. Drop your bloody nonsense and I'll be happy to never mention it again...but son't tell you are healthy and holy and dealing in love and kindness...kay?



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