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Re: From Where We Started....
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Tuesday, May 27 2008, 7:47:14 (CEST)
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I couldn't disagree with you one bit and I must thank you for the good job you do in running this forum first of all. These nationals got it all twisted and they think we are sitting here trying to praise one religion over another or prove which is "truth" and which is "false". This is not the issue and never was the point. I agree that people make such chases for themselves and they have every right to do so. The problem is that we(who are raised as Assyrian Christians)were always told that Islam is evil, Muslims are bad, they killed people because of religion and forced Islam at the point of the sword or gun. We've heard these things all our lives and followed the footsteps of those who say these things. It usually starts with our own families and it goes around the entire community. After a while, a person like myself or you who won't just take something and go, we decided to learn things for ourselves from reality. I got tired of hearing these things and being told not to make Muslim friends, yet I had many Turkish and Arab friends who were some of the nicest people I have ever known. I thought of course they were nice because they weren't learned or practicing Muslims.

It wasn't until after I converted that I came to meet the practicing Muslims and they were even more nicer and some of the most respectful people i have ever met. Far from the things I was told how "if only a Christian falls into theirs hands" and all the other myths. I then realized that I was lied to all along. It turned out to be that it was Christians that practiced forced conversions, who killed people just for religion and that they did all the things they today accuse Muslims of. So now it is a totally different story and I learned that by doing research for myself from school, libraries, books and not what my parents told me when they never even knew a real Muslim. But we have people like Jumblat around and many more like him who continue with the same old lies and myths. That is called slander in English and they continue to repeat that slander. I guess telling lies, their 10 commandments, don't bare "false witness", "turn the cheek" and all the other bullshit does not apply to them at all. Somehow they think it is we who are slandering Christianity when we say they done those things.

I can see that this Jumblat has been running from you for at least 7 years. While he makes all kinds of statements, yet in all these years he has not been able to provide the proof for his 2 favorite lies, one, that Muslims killed just for religion and that they forced people to convert with sword. When you and I have challenged him with anything, we already knew he had nothing but we are still giving him the chance. Now he can make statements all he wants and his freedom on this forum is safe, but we also have the right to challenge what he has to say. See in their world they are used to being spoiled where they do the talking and the other 5 on the forum just say "yes sir" or "amen" without questioning. That works fine until he runns into guys like us who got tired of eating the same rice everyday and we decided to change when we knew something was up. The point is not to figure out which religion is "truth" but we can figure out what is true about a particular religion. For example, did Muslims kill people for their religion and did they force Islam by sword, or are those who say this telling the lies? We also have the right to tell the truth about Christianity or anything.

The truth in this matter is that it is Christians who been killing people just for religion. It is Christianity that was forced and imposed on people, it was Christians who didn't even tolerate each other and it is Christians to this day that don't believe 2 different religions can exist together in one community. They accuse Islam of all the things that they are guilty of but the only difference is that we are not lying nor slandering. Of course, they don't believe in reading "books" or dictionaries and they even mock those who do so. They already know everything in their world so what a professor, scholar, historian or anyone else says or knows has no place with them. While Jumbo continues peeping in here every week or so making statements, he avoids the questions asked of him. He makes demands but runns away when others challenge or ask him. He bars himself from here just like the rest of them do but then comes back with a new topic. It is for the matter of honesty and justice must be served that I even engage in this and I can also see that this is the case for you as well.

They think we are here to promote a particular religion or debate which one is true. They can do that on the religious forums if they are so into it, but we are just seeking honesty and truth about what is said of a religion and that is that Islam was spread by sword, Muslims killed people for their religions and all the other lies. While we can pull all kinds of atrocities committed by Christians on others just because of religion, Jumbo has been running for 7 years from just bringing one instance. What is so hard for that? We are not slandering Christians nor Christianity when we say what we say about it. We have even brought evidence and they of course don't read books. They take what Qasha Potros told them and Quryaqoos and to hell with anything else. When we bring evidence, they think we are prejudice like them and are only going to take what suits us as well. It is hard for them because they are like this and they think others must be the same. However, they fail to realize that it is not so because we at one time also believed and did as they do. I remember going like a dumb ass on Chaldean forums debating with them and trying to convince them that they are Assyrians and need to unite.

They would tell me the same thing we tell them, and that is that the Vatican named them Chaldeans, and the Brits named us Assyrians, they would say. I was a dumb ass for doing so and fortunately I was able to wake up and realize what the heck was going on. It's amazing what research and study can do to one. I realize today that the claim of being direct descendant of ancients is so weak that a White person in America who claims to have a "speck" of Native American blood in him has a more valid claim than we do with the ancients. In the world of Aprim, Jumbo and Mumbo, the ancients never switched language but only alphabet, and it was there was no Aramean language and all the other lies. Just like the eucharist is not the body of Christ. They are unable to even admit the truth when it is in their own religion. It's amazing how far they are willing to go to save face. I thought being "honest" was important to Christians, but it is a no no when it comes to these people because they are willing to push all buttons in order to look good or to win an arguement.

I said it before and I will say it again; there has never been an Assyrian genocide, they were never killed by Muslims just for being Christians or Assyrian and their entire "Assyrianism" business is just a scandal. For the sake of honesty because I have a God given conscience which is not corrupt and I have a sense of justice as all do, I can't just allow them to slander others and go without a challenge. If they want to slander, they can do so all they want, but I will challenge them and continue to help you brother Pancho in exposing these people. Jumbo wants to continue saying that Muslims killed us for our religion or ethnicity, and I will challemge him and expose him as a liar at the same time. I will not slander his religion but tell the truth about it and show how it is his religion which is guilty of all the things he accuses Muslims of. Long before a Hitler, Christians were already killing and persecuting Jews in Europe. Today they are at it again and it is Muslims again. If it ain't Muslims, it is Jews and it just switches from one to the other one. However, the most absurd thing of all about it is that they create their own enemies and they are even bigger enemies to themselves.

What is wrong with these people do they enjoy looking stupid?



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