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Re: Old crap that's being fed to people for more than 1500 years.
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Thursday, January 10 2008, 22:05:42 (CET)
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MiniMe wrote:
>Assyrianmuslim
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>When you hear crap, don't you wanna prove it is, or it isn't crap before you believe it? How do you do it? (other than by reading the crap someone else wrote)
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>On what basis can anyone say the bible isn't copied from Ancient Assyrian Mythology? (heard of mesopotamian Torah?)

Yes I am quiet aware of Mesopotamian history, religion and life. Whether the Old Testament was plaigarized from Mesopotamia, maybe and then again maybe not, but it's not important to me. I do not believe in the Old Testament as a complete book from God. The Old Testament is not the Torah which was revealed to the Prophet Moses(as). Now, if you are sayong that Moses plaigarized from other writings, that is your opinion but i totally disagree with you on that a 100%. The authors of the Old Testament are unknown for the most parts and books were written centuries after the time of Moses(as)and he was not the author of these books but others wrote them.

>Can you name one concept in the bible that wasnt's written on tablets by Ancient Assyrians long before the bible, as a book, came around?

Again whether it copied from Assyrians or not, it really don't matter to me because I do not view it as the Judeo-Christian world views it. However, I would like to remind you of something. Just because something was mentioned in another ancient writing and then it appears in another religious book, that does not mean that it was copied from the former. Keep in mind that we (in Islam) believe in all of the Prophets from God that were sent to mankind. Every nation and people in ancient times received their prophets or messengers and sometimes they received more than one. Since those prophets were sent by the One Almighty, it would only be natural that their fundementals of their teachings would be the same, the laws may be similar depending on the circumstances of the time and those prophets would have told of stories that truly happened to ancient kingdoms. So if something is found somewhere and it was mentioned before, it don't neccessarily mean it was copied. But it is possible that the mostly unknown authors of the Old Testament were copying from other texts since if they were not inspired by God. By looking at the Old Testament it isn't very difficult to see for one's self that these authors could not have been inspired by God nor were those books written by Moses(as). What was given to Moses was a set of laws and they were not 10, 50, 100 but hundreds and hundreds of them. They were given for the Israelites to judge and live by. Now I know the Judeo-Christian world believes that the Old Testament is the Torah which was brought by Moses and I do not agree with that, there are pleanty of Bible scholars who say the same thing as well.


>What proof(other than the BS talk)does anyone have, that Christianity is'nt simply a CORRUPTED version of Ancient Assyrian religion?

I don't know how long you been on this forum but at the beginning I wrote a great deal about that and how "Christianity" was formed and the total history of it. Maybe we can talk about it some other time, InshaAllah. If not, oh well.


>Where do you get the idea that moses wrote books in the OT? (other than someone else "told" you so)

Well I do not believe Moses(as) wrote the Old Testament, but yes it is some of the followers of Judaism and Christianity that believe so and say so.
I do not just go by what they say but I investigate it for myself. I read and study the works of Bible scholars and it is not a secret among most Bible scholars that the Old Testament is not the "Law" that was given to Moses. However, those few scholars who who receive their pay checks from the church ministers will not come out and agree with the claims or else they will have to reconsider their positions and actions.


>Where do you get the idea that the "jews" wrote the bible and "started" christianity? (Again, other than someone else told you)

I have a lots of information on this subject and I be more than happy to share it with you sometime, InshaAllah.

>Where do you get the idea that "Israelites and Jews" are one and the same people?(Other than you tv channels)

That is another thing I have mentioned on here as well and I try to be as careful as possible and detailed as possible to distinguish between "Jews" and the "Israelites" which are not one and the same. I try not to write too much but it's hard sometimes not to in order to clarify. I try my best to not even refer to Jesus(as) as a "Jew" or a Christian because both terms do not apply to him nor the other prophets. There is a misconception that "Judaism" was the religion of Moses and all the other prophets but that is not so at all. What we have today as the religion we have today is the Hellenized version which survived and it is referred to as "Judaism" but it is not the same way that was practiced by Jesus, Moses and other prophets. The same goes for Christianity and Jesus Christ(as). The religion of "Christianity" was not brought by Jesus but by Paul who was at conflict with the movement of Jesus(as). The original followers of Jesus were none other than the Israelites who were on the correct path. They were fightinf Roman persecution and Hellenism. So those Israelites who accepted him didn't convert to nothing but did the right thing. It was the group of Paul which created "Christianity" and it was the pagans and Hellenized Jews who came into the religion and not the real followers of Jesus(as). I be more than glad to share more info with you regarding this subject. I am a big reader so I have lots of books.
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>Do you know what religion was sweeping the world had more followers, untill Rome's "christianity" came about in the 5th century and screwed everything and everyone in the world?

Yes I am aware of that too, but I don't know which religion had more followers but I would love to hear that if it is not what I have in mind. So tell me please?



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