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Re: because they are NOT assyrians....
Posted by Ghwergis (Guest) - Thursday, February 23 2012, 19:58:27 (UTC)
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Rashad wrote:
>Ghwergis wrote:
>>Rashad wrote:
>>>If by pro-Assyrian you mean the ancient people of Mesopotamia, I am definitely pro them but not a fan of these Christians who hide behind their name and are nothing more than a group of fanatics.
>>---What do you mean by "fanatics"?

---Are you against the idea of these northern Iraqis pursuing their identity BECAUSE they are so exclusive with their religion. (dissassociating with ex/non-christian Assyrians)

>You mean you don't know?
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>>>We are not trash talking when we say that the British revived the Assyrian name and slapped it on the Nestorians who were living nearby to where the discoveries were made.

--- I was referring to other posts where Assyrians were being mocked/satirized.

>>We are not lying when we say that the British missionaries did the same thing to us that the Vatican did to our Chaldean brethren(who were nestorians also).

---The vatican still associates with the Chaldean on that matter(where are the British missionaries?); I think chose the longer straw on that one.

>>>Furthermore, we are not lying when we say that all of our people called themselves "Suraye" and there was no dispute or fighting over this name.
---So you would call yourself Suraye, and NOT Assyrian?
>>>...this division comes from the very religion which they claim as official for Assyrians.

---Christianity? Or their specific sect of Christianity?
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>>---So, you are saying it is religious division that keeps the Assyrians, Suryoye, and Chaldeans from becoming Suraye?
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>Sure. This is why they are divided.

>> If someone leave Christianity, say for Islam, that person is no longer regarded an Assyrian. The division isn't because of Saddam or those "evil" kurds but it's because of church. I don't have a problem with someone calling himself an Assyrian or Chaldean, but it becomes a different issue when that someone makes demands and starts using it to hide behind.
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>>>Christianity and Assyrians are not synonymous and never were. The ancient Assyrians were not Christians
>>---To be fair, the ancient Arabs and Persians were not Muslim.
>>> and Christianity is foreign to Iraq just as Islam is from Arabia.
>>---Which would make Islam foreign to Iraq.
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>Nobody said Persians or Arabs were always Muslim, and you don't have to be Muslim to be either, but you have to be Christian to be Assyrian according to the modern term. I just said Islam came from Arabia which means it's foreign. Did you miss the point I was making? If Islam is foreign which it is, then Christianity is also and we know that. If every Muslim from Iraq is from Arabia as your friends claim, then every Christian can be from Israel.
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>>>If a Muslim from Iraq is not "really" Assyrian, then a Christian can also not be one if it is with religion.
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>>---I have always seen Assyrians as an ethnic group.
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>That's you and that's an exception. Not all think like you or me. If that's how you view then that's you but that's not how everyone else sees it. Don't tell me you don't know that.
---Yes, but these

>>>Assyrians were belonged to Asshur and that's where the name came from. I honor my roots and love Assyrians and all the ancient people of Mesopotamia, but I will never confuse them with these modern Christians, who learned everything from British,

---Are you a muslim Rashad?

>>---What exactly do you think they 'learned' from the British?
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>You really don't know, or are you playing a game? The discovery was made around ancient Assyria(north Iraq) and it was European archeologists. They found those tablets and they were written in the original Assyrian language(Akkadian). The Nestorians living nearby knew nothing and it was the same westerners who translated them and that's how everyone knows about Gilgamesh, the many Ashur's, Sargon from Akkad, and much more. The only thing they knew prior were the absurdities mentioned in the Jewish book.
---What absurdities?

They learned everything about ancient Assyrians from the same place that anyone could get it from and they took this and ran. The people who made these discoveries were also missionaries and had an agenda. It was only natural to find the local Nestorians interesting and that's how it all started. I am not gonna write too much until I figure out what you up to.

>>>nor will I agree with them. There was a reason as to why Saddam didn't take them serious with their "we are direct descendant" crap as he know damn well the ancients are the ancestors of Iraqis and he greatly appreciated them as one could see in his palaces, and ancient Mesopotamian history could be seen throughout Iraq, from Iraqi postage stamps, to the museum in Baghdad and their histories taught in schools.
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>>>It wasn't ancient history Iraqi government was denying but this propaganda and these silly demands about 'this is our land and you need to go back to Arabia." I find this silly. There are only two choices, one, Assyrians are an ethnic group, which would obviously include all peoples regardless of religion, or, two, Assyrian today is really just a Christian name, which is what it is anyway.
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>>---I have always seen Assyrians as an ethnic group.
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>Once again, that's you.
--- So you think that before the Assyrians can be taken seriously as an ethnic group, they must accept all members of their community, regardless of religion?

>> at the beginning before the name was given to the Nestorians, these same people had jumped on the Chaldean name and felt jealous. When the British first did what the Vatican had done prior, only Nestorians were suddenly "Assyrians" but then they realized they were too few so they tried to get Chaldeans and Suryoye to jump along as well. This is what these nationalists(who are propagandists)do and we just tell it how it is. We are not Kurds, or some "enemy" but Suraye who were raised with same culture and religion but chose to read history isntead of Bible and soon discovered that Aprim and their mentors were full of it.
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>>>I just can't take the words of amateurs over historians and people who write history for a living and write history as a profession



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